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Do We Have To Follow The Laws Of Corrupt Leaders/dictators?
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Do We Have To Follow The Laws Of Corrupt Leaders/dictators?
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Which ever country you live in you have to follow their laws. You don’t like them move somewhere else. It is your choice!
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I mean a dictator. Like definitely corrupt- killing people on streets etc. Are we bound to follow their laws too? What if we can’t migrate. Eg uyghur Muslims. Should they just say kalimatul kufr, drink alcohol and eat pork with no opposition?
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Please you do the right thing. Who is asking you to eat pork or drink alcohol Is the State forcing you!??
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I’m not talking about myself. In the case of uyghur Muslims yes. The state is forcing them
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They poor people have no choice
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Regarding a Muslim’s Behavior towards a Muslim Leader, and when one can go into open rebellion, you can refer to this:
In case of a Non-Muslim Society, one is bound to follow his covenants usually in the form of pledge of citizenship under constitution of the country.
However, in both cases, if one is a victim of persecution, one should migrate to another place (at times it becomes a necessary requirement of faith to migrate otherwise one might be held accountable); but if such a migration is not possible due to circumstances imposed on the victims, and they’re forced to say ‘kalma-e-kufar’, they can do that to save their lives provided they have true faith in their hearts.
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I have a follow up question @UmerQureshi bhai.
“but if such a migration is not possible due to circumstances imposed on the victims, and they’re forced to say ‘kalma-e-kufar’, they can do that to save their lives provided they have true faith in their hearts.”
Where do we derive this from? Practical examples from the past?
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Yes- what if they rather die than say this sentence?
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This principle comes straight from the Quran.
Quran 16:106
Translation by Asad
As for anyone who denies God after having once attained to faith-and this, to be sure, does not apply to one who does it under duress, the while his heart remains true to his faith, but [only, to] him who willingly opens up his heart to a denial of the truth-: upon all such [falls] God’s condemnation, and tremendous suffering awaits them:
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Does it count as suicide to refuse to say it and be killed?
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I don’t know what God will count it as on the day of judgement, but this ayah itself and others in the Quran make the importance that God has places on life very clear.
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Can we take Bilal’s رضي الله عنه story as an example? Burning in the boiling sand with hot water being poured on him but he still said احد احد
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After what has been made clear in the Quran, there’s no need to take any other story as an example.
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I think maybe we should take the Quran as talking about a matter of exception. Because sometimes we have to give our lives in the way of God. This is what happens in jihad and we could just stay under oppression but we are commanded to give our lives to fight against it. So the default would be dying for God and becoming a martyr. But this option as a way of preserving life is also given.
What do you think sir?
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The verse I shared above is not about jihad, it’s about oppression. That’s what the topic of this discussion is. Jihad (qital) is organized by the state, and fought by combatants against oppression. What’s required of a combatant is to have the mindset of winning the war against an aggressor even at the cost of his own life. An oppressed non-combatant, on the other hand, is required to place the highest priority on life.
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“What’s required of a combatant is to have a mindset of winning the war even at the cost of his own life. An oppressed non-combatant, on the other hand, is required to place the highest priority on life.”
1) Isn’t that mindset secondary? Sacrificing one’s life in the way of Allah and leaving solely and purely with that intention.
2) On the other hand, an oppressed non combatant could be at any level of faith not necessarily ready/willing to sacrifice their life for whatever reason in terms of religion.
Could it be because of this difference in level of intention or Iman you could say? That in the second scenario, the option to preserve one’s life is given preference?
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No, that mindset is absolutely primary. Under normal circumstances, one has to view this life as a blessing and a mission from God, allowing us to prove our worth for being selected in a promised future life of eternal comfort and joy. It takes a very firm belief in order to see this life through all the way with a conscious understanding of God and the hereafter. Many times, it’s much easier to take the easy way out and go get killed “in the name of God.”
A combatant is an exception because he is ordered by God Himself – the giver of this mission – to pay with his life if he must, in order to win a war against aggression. Even that war has to be either in self defense or against persecution. There are other strict rules around the latter, ensuring that such a war is only waged when there’s a greater chance of defeating the aggressor.
The concept of giving life “in the name of God” without proper understanding of God’s scheme is sometimes not a sign of a higher level of faith, but in fact just another egoistic way of looking at things.
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https://sunnah.com/muslim/33/82
In reference to this hadith can we ever protest a ruler?
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Please refer to the link I shared above, all such Ahadith have been collected in one place by Ghamidi Sahab and will give you a better understanding of what these Ahadith actually mean.
This obedience is in effect obedience to the state “Al-Jamaah”, “Al-Sultan”. That is the very reason there are so strict punishments for Muharbah (creating anarchy/lawlessness in a society).
This obedience does in no way prevent a citizen from protesting against his ruler, in fact, when you read all the related Ahadith, you will see that there is enough room for protest but within bounds of law.
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Could you then give an example of the Rebellion that is not allowed? Perhaps like violent protests that destroy property right?
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Acts like civil-disobedience, charging on police, violent protests, infringing rights of other citizens who are not part of your protest like blocking roads etc. etc.
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