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    اجماعی غلطی

    Posted by Muhammad Imran on October 4, 2020 at 2:27 am

    غامدی صاحب سے جبھی پوچھا جاتا ہے کہ اپ روایت سے ہٹ کر راے رکھتے ہے۔۔ کیا امت کی اجماع و تاریخی روایت غلط تھی؟

    تو غامدی صاحب عساءیت کی مثال پیش کرتے ہے کہ ان کی اکثریت و اجماع تثلیث پر متفق ہے۔۔۔۔ جو کہ غلط ہے یعنی ہمارے تاریخی روایت بھی غلط ہے

    لیکن کیا عسایت اور امت محمدی جو اخری نبی کی امت ہے ایک جیسی ہے۔۔۔ کیا امت محمدی گمراہ اصولی طور پر اجماعی غلطی پر متفق ہو سکتی ہے۔؟

    Umer replied 5 years, 3 months ago 5 Members · 8 Replies
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  • اجماعی غلطی

    Umer updated 5 years, 3 months ago 5 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Umer

    Moderator October 4, 2020 at 11:34 am

    Na ho saknay ki wajah aap ki nazar mein kya ho sakti hai? Meri nazar mein sirif dow sooratein ho saki hein: aik tow ye ke ummat-e-Muhammadi insanon ki bajaye farishton ki kisi jamaat ka naam ho, ya phir ye ke khuda/rasool ki koi sanad ho ke aisa kabhi nahi ho ga. In donon mein se mere ilm ki hud tak koi bhi baat nahi hai.

    Doosri baat ye ke kya ummat waqai mein muttafiq hai? Tareekh se pata chalta hai ke ummat mein deen ke muamlay mein hamesha se ikhtalafat rahe hein. Aur ye ikhtalafat koi chhotay ikhtalafat bhi nahi hein. Khuda ki zaat-o-sifaat se le kar, tawheed, risalat, nabuwat, maqasid-e-deen, Quran, sunnah, hadees, ihkamat, itlaqatat – aap ko hur daur ke baday baday ulema mein iss tarah ke ikhtalafat ki aik lambi fehrist mil sakti hai.

    Durust tareeqa sirif ye hai ke hum kisi bhi baat ko jazbat se oopar uth ke parkhein aur dalail ki bina pe radd ya qubool karein. Iss ke siwa meri nazar mein hamare paas aur koi rasta nahi hai.

  • FM

    Member October 4, 2020 at 11:49 am

    @faisalharoon

    There is a narration, which is often presented as an evidence: “Ummah wouldn’t have a consensus on a wrong belief” and this establishes *ijma* as a source of religion.

    I paraphrased the narration. Your point 1 is very valid and I agree with it.

    I just want to know what’s its authenticity and context?

    Thanks

    • Umer

      Moderator October 4, 2020 at 12:04 pm

      Faizan Sahab!

      There is also another famous Hadith of 72 sects all going to hell except one, so where is ijma as a source of deen now?

      Just a food for thought.

    • FM

      Member October 4, 2020 at 12:14 pm

      Umer bahi

      Excellent point & it clarified my doubt.

      Thanks.

    • Umer

      Moderator October 4, 2020 at 12:43 pm

      @FM20

      The riwayah you mentioned appears in Tirmidhi and is graded as da’eef.

      https://muflihun.com/tirmidhi/33/2167

      Please also see this discussion.

      Discussion 1093

    • FM

      Member October 4, 2020 at 1:19 pm

      Thank you @faisalharoon

    • Umer

      Moderator January 12, 2021 at 7:16 am

      @FM20 please see this as well:

      Discussion 39862 • Reply 40139

  • Mohammad Yaseen

    Contributor January 12, 2021 at 7:12 am

    https://youtu.be/nNZFyOiRFlM

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