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Is Aesthetic Sense Universal?
It is said that the sense of beauty is put in our fitrah. But how does it implement universally. Like the distinction of good and bad is given to us in our fitrah and these values are universal. Does the implementation of beauty is rendered to the nafs and depends on societies or is there a specific standard
Like the color white in our society is considered beauty whereas maybe in different areas the beauty has different approach.
In quran we see in jannah there will be huurs. As ghamdi saab says it means goriyan which shows their whiteness. So it signifies beauty for all humans or it was for the people of arab at that time.
One more thing. For moral values origin it is said that justice is good. Infact all good is good because of Allah and these attributes are found in him. What would be the basis for beauty than. As its found in a zaat but we cant talk about zaat of god.
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Is Aesthetic Sense Universal?
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Time line 27:00 onwards. The whole episode is awesome.
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Can you send episode two too?
جزاكم الله خيرا
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Peace and blessings on you.
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Have a listen to this as well. It relates to the ikhlaqiyat.
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The discussion on fitrah ekhlaqiyat and tawheed is very enlightening but than again the topic of hisse jamaliyat is never discussed much in detail
What i concur is that maybe the standard is set by individuals and societies and dont have universal effects. Everyone has a sense of beauty. But what is beauty is different for everyone. Based on this i can find black color maybe ugly but someone cant call me racist on it unless i behave immorally based on it.
Fact about moral values is that the ability to differentiate is given to our fitrah and also when discussed from religious philosophy its said something is meaningfully moral and good because it trails back to god’s attributes.
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You have an excellent point and good grasp. I will try to explain what I have understood from Ghamidi Sahib’s lectures. It may take a couple of days.
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In the name of Allah, the ultimate Reality.
The concept that we have 3 things incorporated in our program is a very fascinating idea. All it means is that we have the ability to learn and grow and find the truth, the ultimate truth.
Intellect: we have the ability to reason, infer, deduce, and comprehend etc. to find the truth. These are the ingredients of our “intellect file.” What is does is provide the basic code to build upon. The bud shall become a tree, and what shape the tree takes, how many branches it will have, is governed by the environment and the time taken. The time frame is that of humanity as a collective being. It started from the first conscious, intelligent being and will end with the last intelligent, conscious being.
Morality: we have the ability to realize good and bad. Good is what I want for myself without hurting others. I do not want to be robbed, or cheated, or lied to, etc. These are bad and the opposite is good. Now, what this tree grows into will also depend on the environment and human-race-time. No matter how much time passes, a lie will always be a lie and bad. But through the environmental factors and egoism, we have learned to accept it as an inevitability and use it for personal gain. Despite that, we have not labelled a lie as a good thing.
Aesthetics: we also know what is beautiful and what is ugly. That would be the bud. This bud, like intellect and morality, will also go through evolution and keep on changing. What will not change is the ability to define what is beautiful and what is ugly. The dance we do is variable among nations and regions but dance we do. Singing is also beautiful and ugly, it varies from region to region but singing we do. Of course, my singing is beautiful in my region and ugly in another. The ability to qualify a thing or an act as beautiful and ugly will always remain.
Aesthetics will be influenced by morality which is influenced by intellect. These three things affect each other and hence give me the “I” imprint, the unique code of my consciousness.
The next question is why do I have these? The obvious answer is because I need these to be the vicegerent of the All-Mighty God. I have microscopic elements of the Great Reality that manifest, themselves, in me in variable degrees. I need these 3 abilities to take the test, designed by the Real. The test is of choice of good. How I get to that answer depends on my use of the 3 elemental abilities (fitrat).
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So the fitrat is a mere talent rather than a set of moralities. Or is it a set in morality but variable in aesthetics?
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Fitrat has 3 elements. Intellect, morality and aesthetics. Each element has two components. One goes the right way and the other goes the wrong way.
We have been placed in the middle. It is our free will to choose which direction we want to go.
In Intellect; we can create explosives to build a dam or destroy it.
In morality; we can be faithful to one or fornicate.
In aesthetics; we can make beautiful music to calm the mind or we can make such a loud noise that it ruptures our hearing membranes.
Always remember these elements affect each other. For example, when we muddle morality, we can affect aesthetics by making pornographic images, naked statues. Our Intellect finally gives way and accepts this as art unrepressed, free. This freedom is very dear to us. This is what Intellect yearns.
Healthy living is a beam of light surrounded by darkness. Positivity surrendered by negativity!
For example:
Authoritative. -ve
Assertive. -ve
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Convincing. +ve
Forgiving. +ve
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Gullible. -ve
Submissive. -ve
Stay under assertive and above gullible. Do you see what I see? Stay between the lines! You can do this with every behaviour and emotion with intelligence.
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Very well explained sir. Much appreciated 👍
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Many thanks.
Stay blessed, always. Ameen
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Concept and application. We need to differentiate between the two while discussing such problems. When we say there is a difference of perceptions or standard of beauty. We at the same time admit that at the level of concept all agree there is beauty.
Secondly Quran is universal in its message but it’s setting is local. It alluded to its being universal by staying like you will find in paradise whatever you wish. Then it tells the Arabs, who were the immediate addressees, that they will get women of fair complexion. We deduce that if they will get their choice other will have their choice too.
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Many many thanks for your wise guidance. Jazaak Allah
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‘We at the same time admit that at the level of concept all agree there is beauty.’
That’s exactly what we’re not admitting. Because he doesn’t agree with my level of beauty and I don’t agree with his.
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