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Logical Arguments For Shirk
The Quran says that if there was more than one master of the worlds there would be chaos. Human nature accepts this fact. But human nature also sees that there are exceptions. Sometimes there are leaders that work harmoniously together. Also when two leaders work together the fruits they produce are magnificent. So when we see this universe why don’t we think that there must have been a few wonderful minds that brought this into existence?
What is the answer to this line of reasoning?
Is it simply that this is your human conjecture- God himself has told you he is one- that’s the end of the discussion.
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Logical Arguments For Shirk
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But let’s say that we do consider this for a while just for argument’s sake. It still is going to come to the same question/s when you go by that logic the Quran itself presents (explained by Hamza Tzortzis in the video you posted earlier).
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That would not apply. Instead of one primary force there were just many. These are divine beings which don’t hold the same implications right?
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How would that not apply? There has to be One divine being. How could two or more divine beings be the First/Necessary Cause?
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Doesn’t have to be the first cause. Why does the first cause have to be divine? If we use kalaam we can deduce it has to be all powerful then it doesn’t NEED anyone else. إن شاء الله I wish to ask Ghamidi sahab tomorrow about how to prove that God doesn’t lie and how polytheism is wrong without kalaam because from his views it seems that he doesn’t think kalaam is needed
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If we go by that logic, then why only stopping at two?
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There is no stopping
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Exactly. But then my inner/fitrat/daakhli ehsaas and my outside mushaahida tells me otherwise. On top of that, if revelation also comes to confirm that using pretty logical arguments and reasoning, then why do i have to swim around in conjecture?
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But Ghamidi sahab says someone can come to tawhid from fitrah and shirk is impossible- it has no logical reasoning
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And besides, “Doesn’t have to be the first cause. Why does the first cause have to be divine? If we use kalaam we can deduce it has to be all powerful then it doesn’t NEED anyone else.”
If it isn’t the first cause, then how is it All Powerful? And All-Everything?
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If we dive into kalaam then the first cause has to be omnipotent.
But Ghamidi sahab says we don’t need this
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