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Forbidden Times Of Prayer
The sunrise and sunset are generally said to be forbidden times for sajdas because it makes it seem like your praying to the sun.
In this day and age that problem isn’t really there- no one worships the sun- so is it still haraam?
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Forbidden Times Of Prayer
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There are still religions who do that e.g. Zoroastrianism or Mazdayasna.
Because of Islam’s extreme sensitivity to polytheism, these were the only two times forbidden for Sajda as a Sunnah and transmitted through ijma and tawatur.
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In recent Q&A Session with Ghamidi Sahab on Questions selected from ASK GHAMIDI Platform:
For answer to your question, please refer to the video below
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I think there is a similar q like this in the database which I can’t seem to find right now in which Hassan sahab said that it is fine to pray in these times. Let me know if you can find it
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Here it is. Would like some clarification as it seems contradictory Discussion 39937 • Reply 40452
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I think there is no contradiction coz both of them said you shouldnt pray at those time. They reach to same conculsion through different arguments.
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Ghamidi sahab seems to be saying it is fard to do so whereas Hassan sahab says it depends on how you feel
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You are right. But ghamidi sb opinion is more convincing for me
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Not for me. The same way the usul for gold being prohibited is arrogance it seems the usul for this being prohibited is because it may seem like shirk.
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Matters of Ibadah are not subject to such illah unless explicitly stated by the Prophet Himself. The example of Gold falls in a different domain.
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Concessions given in wudu like masah over socks are because of an illah.
What is the evidence matters of ibaadah can’t be based on an illah? Of course there is a reason for the time to be forbidden
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Masah is based on explicit relaxation of tayammum as explicitly mentioned in Quran.
Of course we can try to understand reason behind every Ibadah and every other matter surrounding it. But the way Ibadah is to be done and the concessions to be mindful of are things not subject to our own ijtihaad.
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1. What is the proof that ibaadah is not based on ijtihaad?
2. An example of ijtihaad when it comes to an ibaadah would be when someone has a surgery on their face eg nose, they don’t do sajdas because if ijtihaad
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Also even if masah is from tayammum it is still an ijtihaad
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You may find this helpful. Please refer to the video below from 55:59 to 1:03:00
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Yes so the siyaaq sabaaq makes it clear that the illah of the hukm is to do with mushrikeen praying at those times. Same with iddah wherever the problems with mushrikeen don’t arise like in Makkah, the forbidden times aren’t forbidden anymore
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Since exemption was only given for kaaba despite Islam and monotheism overtaking the Arab land, so I think it cannot be extended.
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The exception was given because there is no hint of polytheism left in Arabia of people praying at those times. No one prays at any times nowadays as much as Muslims do so it doesn’t seem it can be extended anywhere. Even if they do pray there is simply no way that anyone could go into polytheism from it because their worship is not as well known as the times of muslims etc
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If there was no hint of polytheism left in Arabia, then why was exemption limited to kaaba only? why not the whole Arabia?
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Because there would’ve still been non Muslims in Arabia until the time of Umar رضي الله عنه and a bit after who prayed at these times most likely.
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Is it permissible to pray fard prayers during the forbidden times? For example, if I was ready to pray fajr once sunrise already began, can I do that? The prayer would be during sunrise, of course. JazakAllah.
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You have to wait then offer prayer
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I’m confused because I thought I read online that fardh prayers can be offered at times of dislike/prohibited times? I thought the restriction is only for sunnah prayers?
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Ghamidi sb is of opinion that since prophet MOhammad saw has stopped us from praying at those time so we cannot pray in those times too.
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JazakAllah Mr. Ahsan Jalal.
I understand that point; however, I thought this restriction applied only to nafal and sunnah prayers. If this isn’t the case, then how is someone supposed to perform Maghrib prayer, which starts right when the sun is setting?
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The actual prohibition is for every form of Salah.
Sunset doesn’t take that much time. Depending upon certain factors like location, time of the year etc. it normally ranges from 2 to 5 minutes.
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JazakAllah Mr. Umer Qureshi. One thing I’ve noticed online is that people write down different periods of time that a person should refrain from praying. I believe I read somewhere that only fifteen to twenty minutes after ‘Fajr should be avoided, and maybe somewhere else that fifteen to twenty minutes before ‘Maghrib. It all gets confusing, so how do I know which time period to choose?
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These are timings of caution i.e. extra 15-20 minutes before and/or after. But the actual happening of sunset and sunset to the best of my knowledge doesn’t take that much time. As a rough average you can say 2 to 5 minutes (the exact timing depends on certain factors). The rest is a matter of application and a matter of caution. It’s upto the person how cautious they want to be while applying this principle. Bottom line is that no Salah should be offered at the exact moments of Sunset and Sunrise.
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JazakAllah. Am I okay to stick to five minutes before and after sunrise and sunset as the times to avoid prayer? Or is it better to stick to the most conservative opinion? Because, for example, I’ve seen someone refer to the golden hour as 45 minutes prior to maghrib, which is a long time to avoid prayer, especially with commitments.
Frankly, I’m not sure if the “golden hour” even refers to the period of time before sunset, but it’s referred to in this narrative:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The time for ‘Asr lasts until the sun turns yellow.” (Narrated by Muslim, 612).
JazakAllah for your help!
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Please see if the following article helps:
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I still have to read over this article carefully, but I was wondering if there is any harm in performing wudu or ghusl during the forbidden times for prayer? Or anything religiously related that is not prayer?
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It is just Salah and prostration which is forbidden at these times. This doesn’t extend to Wuzu and other similar acts.
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