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  • Giving Haraam Food To Those Who Eat It

    Ahmad Shoaib updated 3 years, 6 months ago 2 Members · 23 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:29 pm

      So is the reason it’s not haraam just because there’s no evidence (I’ve seen the video)?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Haram is very clear and explicit.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Could it come under ithm? Because these people have the right of being safe from us allowing them to do haraam things?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:37 pm

      I don’t think so but I personally would not be involved in any such transaction at will. However, if something like this (Haram meat) comes in my possession by any chance and there are people who can feed off from it, then its better to feed them instead of wasting it.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:38 pm

      I ask this because we ordered pizza and I misread it and it has some haraam toppings on it. I mean my neighbours weren’t starving or anything but I gave it to them. Would the above idea of this being ithm apply?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:39 pm

      What if it was the same scenario but instead of food it was alcohol?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:42 pm

      its good that you gave it to them but from where would you get a hang of alcohol, you naughty naughtyJoy

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:44 pm

      🤣

      Sometimes people gift these things in corporations.

      And does it count as being a danger to them and ithm? Because the reasons of these prohibitions is to stop people from

      1. Eating things that affect psyche in a bad way (doesn’t apply nowadays since all food is cooked anyway)

      2. Because it is taking the life of an animal without sanction

      And I am allowing it permitting them to do it

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:50 pm

      These dietary prohibitions are for you as a Muslim and this rationale though important in understanding the spirit of directive, but is of a secondary nature. You’re free to deny them access to these meals on any ground whether health related or on the basis of ensuring that they stay clean, but that’s your informed decision, the problem only arises when someone declares this act unconditionally Haram from religious perspective without any basis for it.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      Could a religious basis to declare it unconditionally haraam be ithm or am I stretching the definition too far?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:54 pm

      That would be stretching it because dietary prohibitions are not based on principle of ithm, rather, they’re based on principle of tayyibaat and khabaees.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:56 pm

      No i mean that these people have a right to not be helped in doing anything haraam (whatever the reason of it being haraam is) by me.

      Also doesn’t it go against Amar bil maruf and yanha an almunkar? I mean this is a directive and isn’t it going against the clear wording of it? Does it matter why the munkar is munkar?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 3:58 pm

      munkar are evils that are almost universally accepted as evil e.g. lying

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 3:59 pm

      And the first thing, do these people hold this right?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 4:01 pm

      sorry! I couldn’t follow.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 4:02 pm

      So- do people have a right from me, that I don’t allow them to do haraam? EG their right is that I never allow them, or aid them to execute an action that would displease the Almighty

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 4:05 pm

      Is the prohibition only for you being a conscious Muslim or is it for non-muslims as well?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 4:06 pm

      The prohibition is for all humans, whether they follow the truth or not is not my concern. I should not help anyone in doing anything wrong. I could say the same that is the prohibition of shirk for me or everyone? Why is halal food different?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 4:12 pm

      Even Shirk is a prohibition for you only from your perspective.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 4:16 pm

      And I believe my perspective to be true.

      So if my actions are permitting or even aiding/enabling someone to do shirk then how could I say that I truly believe in what I believe in? I am aiding someone in a crime against God.

      It is like I say murder is wrong and then I hand a psychopath a knife and say go kill someone

    • Umer

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 4:34 pm

      You give food to someone because it is a basic human need and so that they can stay alive, why would you hand someone a knife who you know is a psychopath?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 4:35 pm

      Yes but these humans weren’t going to die. Even for me I’m allowed to eat food that would normally haraam.

      But this is akin to the psychopath situation because there is no urgency or pressure – I am simply aiding them in a crime (even if they don’t know yet)

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