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  • Revelation And Being Grateful

    Posted by Sheharbano Ali on November 11, 2020 at 5:06 am

    A human being cannot be grateful to God in its absolute sense, without Revelation. There have been times when people were deprived from Revelation/Prophets. What is the wisdom behind that? Worship in its comprehensive and truest sense cannot be achieved without Revelation either. Even after Revelation, one has the potential to keep improving in that area. I don’t see how the purpose is being fulfilled by those who lived in a time and period of no revelation.

    Sheharbano Ali replied 4 years ago 2 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Revelation And Being Grateful

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  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member November 11, 2020 at 5:16 am

    Talking about it in the language of revelation – Surah Fatihah is the introduction to How man should be grateful to His Lord in its truest sense. And the rest of the whole book of God is the answer to that prayer and instructions as to how that could be achieved. The very reason for our this test is also Imma Shakirun Wa Imma Kafoora. How is that purpose fulfilled by those who were never aware of revelation? What was their purpose at all?

  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member November 11, 2020 at 7:00 am

    Basically, truth cannot be established if either is missing; Reason and Revelation. I do realise that the accountability of the subjects will be based on the availability of both these necessary sources. But to deprive man from either. Im not being able to understand.

  • Umer

    Moderator November 13, 2020 at 5:22 pm

    As a principle, as you mentioned yourself, the level and severity of accountability will be lessened for the subjects and circumstances that you mentioned above and there is a clear nas of Quran which does indicate this:

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    It would be deprivation only when the end result would be different for each and every individual because of absence of prophethood/revelation. But when a just adjustment will be made for every individual which would account for these factors and maintain the equilibrium of justice for every situation and every individual, then this concept of deprivation doesn’t hold any ground I think. Just the way absence of revelation lessens the accountability, similarly, the presence of revelation intensifies the accountability.

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member December 2, 2020 at 10:23 am

      But doesn’t this support the idea of determinism? Ignoring the fact of accountability for a while, their basic purpose isn’t fulfilled is it? Of being a slave of God in its truest sense?

    • Umer

      Moderator December 2, 2020 at 3:52 pm

      I think the sequence here has been reversed by you. Ibadah begins from within, it is an inner feeling of humbleness and inferiority in front of Almighty. It is later it may or may not get a chance to get manifested in interaction with environment, and even so, it might not always involve interaction with every dimension of human existence. Even for Muslims, some of these external manifestations of Ibadah vary from role to role in a society and factors that one interacts with and stumbles upon.

      You may find this discussion on Ibadah by Ghamidi Sahab very insightful:

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    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member December 3, 2020 at 9:02 am

      That is correct. But the only factor that’s missing here is potential. The potential to improve yourself on the philosophical side of religion, even if we dismiss action for a while and only consider the ‘inner’ dimension like you mentioned. Isn’t that constraint?

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