Salaam Faisal. Thx for ur response. I’m baffled with ur comments though. U said its a Kalima Tauheed but in reality it contains two personalities and its a contradiction. What was the Kalima of Prophet Ibrahim Musa Isa and their followers?. After all Allah SWT called Ibraheem Khaleel Ullah. Musa Kalim Ullah and Isa Ruh Ullah. It is not fitting that the Kalima be changed each time a new prophet comes.

Infact According to Quran 63:1 hyporites say Muhammad ur Rasool Allah. We r NOT SUPPOSED to single out one messenger. Numerous times Allah SWT says we HAVE to belive in ALL MESSENGERS.

And waht was the message from all the messengers and Prophets. Worship God alone 21:25; 16:36; 2:133; 3;52; 39:45

I believe it is injustice and against Quran and Prophet Muhammad’s teaching to single him out and add his name with Allah SWT. I do not find any justification for it. I would love to see Giambi Saheb opinion on this issue based purely on the Quran? JazakAllah

Salaam and thanks for ur reply. Please let me know what was the Kalima for other Prophets when they present Islam to their communities. What Kalima they had to pronounce to accept Islam? Thank u. JazakAllah for ur time and efforts.

Salaam and thank u Sohail. All messengers and prophets brough Islam and brought the same core message. Worship God alone. There is no doubt about that. It was not fitting that they include their names beside Allah SWT. It makes little sense that each time a new messenger comes he had to cancel the previous Kalima and then include his name. There r some instances when more than one Messengers present at the same time like Lout and Ibrahim AS.

Their names should not matter when it comes to accepting Islam. Of course the community had to accept them as Messengers and Prophets but it does not mean they had to associate their names EACH TIME they pronounce Kalima. Same like us. We have to believe in ALL Messengers but we don’t include their names in our declaration of faith. I think we r doing something gross injustice to pick one Messenger and include him into our kalima and prayers. Its a clear violations of various ayats. To me it appears that we r somewhat fell in this category. Verse 39:45

May Allah SWT help us to understand Prophet Muhammad AS pure and simple message and grant Ghamdi saheb and all of u good health and rewards for learning and spreading Quran message. Amin.

Salaam Faisal Afia and Shoaib,

Thank U all for ur msg much appreciated. I agree with most of what u said particularly 100% agree with Shoals. Its an invention and added much later after prophet Muhammad demise. Many ancient coins show only La illaha Islam Allah. Even on Baitul Maqdas old walls have only La illaha illal Allah.

i reiterate, no matter how we try to justify, picking up one Prophet out of all others and adding his name into the Kalima is clearly a violation of many Ayat as presented in my posts. Our prayers speeches khutbas and daily routine do not complete without adding Prophet Muhammad AS name or saying salawat to him . We say we believe a prophets but our treatment and actions do not reflect that. If we HAVE to send Salaam to Allah SWT messengers than we should say what God has mentioned in the Quran. 37:180_182

Unfortunately andsadly We often make our religion so complicated and try to justify our centuries old tradition with little or no support from the Quran.

May Allah SWT guide us all to follow His clear and simple deen and help us to understand your deen better. Amin.

Salaam fatima and Shoieb and all those who r in this thread. May Allah SWT bless u all. Fatima, asking questions is better than following traditions blindly without much support from the Quran. . Just because majority following something does not make it right. For Mentioning the Prophet name in Adnan, what makes u think it was not invented and added later on. Allah SWT ASK prophet Ibrahim to call for prayers. All believers were asked to pray Namaz. Do u really think hat they were mentioning Prophet Muhmmad’s name in their Kalima Namaz Azan or anywhere else.

Ur arguments about not questioning Janab Ghamdi Saheb responses. I must say that first of all Ghamdi Saheb did not responded yet. Even if he did, I must not follow anyone blindly. I regard him very highly and respect him dearly. However this does not take away my right to disagree with him. Like he did to his teacher muhateram Islahi saheb.

Questioning make u grow in knowledge and wisdom. U can’t people shut just because they challenge centuries old traditions. I ha e provided many ayat to support my understanding. We r here to make the Quran a Judge and we must return to the Quran. I would love to hear ur arguments based on the Quran.

Islamic practices have come from Prophet Ibrahim AS but obviously this Kalima can’t be from him. Prophet Muhammad AS did NOT EXIST in his time. The Kalima has always been as La Illaha Illal Allah without associating any personality along side Him. Its a shirk.

Salaam Fatima. U gave example of mentioning an employee along side with the CEO would matter if u mention the employee name each and every time u mention the CEO. Nobody would appreciate or accept that.

How About this. How would u feel if people mentioning ur parents or siblings or spouse name each time they call u. Would u accept that. If people say this is Fatima and her parents names r ….

This is Fatima and her spouse name is……I certify that this is Fatima and her siings names are……so on and so forth. And how about if this is the case ach and every time.

Do u think Allah SWT WOULD ACCEPT THAT?????

plz think about it. Thank u.

Salaam.Fatima and Shoaib,

Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately so far noone has come forward to bring daleel.based on the Quran. I thought people on this forum would behave differently but unfortunately and sadly my experience is different. Please do not counter me with conjecture and centuries old traditions but from the Quran or tawatur from the past prophets. Definitely our namaz Kalima and other religious rituals were not the same as practiced by all the past prophets as Prophet Muhammad and his family did not exist. Day in and day out we r somewhat involved in shirk and some of our Islamic rituals r against the basic quranic and the Prophet’s teaching without perceiving as such. I’m afraid to be classified with those people addressed in 39:45.

I’m sorry to leave this topic without getting any solid quranic counter narrative from anyone. Nonetheless I truly thank u all to put ur time and efforts to shed some light on this very fundamental topic. Indeed its hard to leave traditions over Quran.

ALLAH Humma Rabbi Zidni Ilma. JazakAllah