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  • Is Vigilante Justice Or Extra Judicial Support Permissible?

    Posted by Muhammad Ali on November 23, 2020 at 8:29 pm

    In one of Prophet Muhammad SAW’s saying he said: there are three levels of iman:

    Stopping evil by hand.

    Stopping evil by tongue.

    Stopping evil by heart.

    Where does the secret force lay?

    For example: if I know some of my officer are doing corruption, can I secretly stop them with force.

    Does Islam allow this?

    Muhammad Ali replied 3 years, 3 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Is Vigilante Justice Or Extra Judicial Support Permissible?

    Muhammad Ali updated 3 years, 3 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
  • ودود

    Member November 23, 2020 at 8:48 pm

    Stoping evil by hand or use of physical force is not allowed outside your own domain and even that must be within the permissible limits of the law of the land and social norms.

    For example, you may spank your kids if they dont follow house rules but it has to be within the social norms. On the other hand you cannot hit your neighbors kids but you can talk to their parents and ask them to manage their kids.

  • Umer

    Moderator November 24, 2020 at 7:43 pm

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member November 24, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Well what I actually meant is, if we interpret this hadith widely, it became very clear that we can do two more things in our permissible limits:

    Stopping evil by hand.

    (Including secretly stopping evil by force)

    Stopping evil by tongue.

    (Including secretly providing information to stopping evil)

    Stopping evil by heart.

  • ودود

    Member November 25, 2020 at 2:26 am

    No don’t think we are supposed to do anything “secretly”.

    Plus we cannot infer any principles from handiths — you can only infer principles from Quran and see an example of their implementation in ahadith

    “Amr bil maroof wa nahi anil munkar” is the verse that maybe linked to that hadith.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member November 27, 2020 at 10:03 am

    Then what about state sponsored secrecy for example: Prime minister complaint portal or ISI ?

    They also enforce justice secretly.

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator November 27, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    Secret agencies that punish or kill people without due process are not permissible by Islam. Such agencies can and do undermine justice, which is absolutely wrong in the light of the Quran. Please see the following response for reference:

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  • ودود

    Member November 27, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    The state or anyone else has no right to invade into personal privacy or personal domains of individuals. They can act only if there is a complaint e g a wife files a complaint about her husband.

    The role of the state secret agencies is confined to find the truth to investigate crimes or manage risks of criminal activities by monitoring suspects. In what circumstances they can hack personal privacy and whether such invasions require a court approval or not should be clearly specified in the law made by elected represented of the people of the state. However the secret agencies cannot punish anyone. It has to be thru the courts.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member November 29, 2020 at 9:50 am

    Thanks 👍#Faisal Haroon & Wadud Mughal

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