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Reliability Of Ijma And Tawatur
I recently had a discussion and the brother argued that it’s impossible for there not to be changes in practices of religion over many years. For example cultures would add things to the prayer and then it would be solidified over many years like it had been done to other prophets’ teachings and in every culture on the planet. So we would need some textual backup to reaffirm and protect the practices
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Reliability Of Ijma And Tawatur
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I feel like it’s impossible for there not to be any changes over the years too. I think that’s why Allah Subhanahu wa ta’la preserved our deen by backing it up with written stuff in the form of Seerah and ahadeeth etc. Just Ijma and tawatur without written backup is not reliable
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You should ask your friend to present examples. There are no modifications to the part of religion (Quran and sunnah) that has been transmitted to us through ijma and tawatur. Any questions that arise on the reliability of ijma and tawatur are actually based on incomplete understanding of the concept. I think that rather than coming up with our own assumptions, it would be more beneficial should we understand the concept and try to poke holes in it.
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They say things like whether blood breaks wudu was not clear so ahadith had to reaffirm it. And that the only reason there are no changes is because ahadith preserved the deen
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I think ijma should be stated in Ahadith, if something gets the status of ijma, and that thing is not in quran or Ahadith then this ijma is questionable or can be rejected, for example the covering of head, there is almost ijma on head covering but i think ghamidi sahib rejected it because it has no basis in Ahadith or quran, similarly the case of beard
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And who is to decide what is or isn’t in the Qur’ān because the same ayah can be interpreted differently by different people
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Ijma and tawatur is completely independent of any written record. In fact written record of established historical facts depends upon ijma and tawatur. In a written record only one person is penning down established history, whereas ijma and tawatur is backed by such a huge number of people, generation after generation, that they can’t conceivably collude or conspire.
Ijma and tawatur is a method of transmission of knowledge. Interpretation of knowledge is a completely different thing. The two must be understood separately.
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So when ghamidi sahib says that sunnah is transmitted through ijma, so why he rejected the head covering of women even it is transmitted through ijma, so why ghamidi sahib says that there is no written record in favour of head covering in Ahadith and quran, why he didn’t accept it as sunnah because of ijma on it
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As Faisal sb said “in a written record only one person is penning down established history” and once it’s penned down it’s secured, and people can go back and cross check it every time they need to know if something is correct or not. That’s what all of us are doing including the scholars. If we leave it and depend on just ijma and tawatur changes come as the years go by
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Also ghamidi sahib says that ijma is not the source of Deen but only Quran and sunnah is source of deen, but when it comes to sunnah he says it transmitted through ijma, so isn’t this contradicts with statement that ijma is not a source of Deen
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The word ‘ijma’ is used in two different meanings. Once we understand that then there is no contradiction.
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