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  • Calling Someone A Non Muslim

    Posted by Ahmad Shoaib on January 6, 2021 at 2:41 pm

    What are the limits? If someone says the kalma but then that eg that Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم isn’t the last messenger we wouldn’t be making any assumptions about him to say that he is a non Muslim. It would simply be a fact. Because a Muslim is someone who believes in the Quran and it’s teaching. So if someone goes clearly against an objective meaning in the Quran why wouldn’t we e able to call them a non Muslim?

    Faisal Haroon replied 3 years, 3 months ago 2 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Calling Someone A Non Muslim

    Faisal Haroon updated 3 years, 3 months ago 2 Members · 13 Replies
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 6, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    What would be an objective reason for you to call anyone anything that they themselves don’t wish to be called?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 4:37 pm

      If someone says I am a doctor an objective reason for them not to be called this would be the fact that they have not gone to medical school

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 4:43 pm

      The analogy is not correct. Unlike medical school, religion is something very personal. At the state level they might have a reason to distinguish between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, for example, but I asked what is your objective reason for such distinction?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 4:44 pm

      The ayah of khatimun nabiyeen goes directly against the principle of any prophet after Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . That would be an objective principle to call someone’s creed non Islamic, therefore making them non Islamic

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 5:33 pm

      Quran verse 33:40 is sharing a piece of information with us. It’s not asking us to label others.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 5:34 pm

      For an example what about this. Someone says that he denies the existence of God but would like to be referred to as a Muslim. What would be the course of action here? When it comes to represent a Muslim cabinet or society of a country should we discriminate against choosing them?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 5:41 pm

      As I stated above, we need to be clear in the objective.

      There’s no person who denies God but calls himself a Muslim, so this case is irrelevant. Also all Muslim countries presently are nation states so this kind of distinction is unnecessary in the cabinet scenario too.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 5:42 pm

      Then the objective could be that when we are presenting islam, if we tolerate those who believe in a messenger after Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم to call themselves Muslim, this will cause confusion in the message and call for those searching for the truth

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 6:30 pm

      As we have the right to present Islam the way we have understood it, others have the same right. Our job is to understand and present Islam the best we can – not prevent confusion.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 6:31 pm

      Why is an objective needed in this way anyway? Why can we not, just as a mental exercise separate the Muslims from the non Muslims?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 6:43 pm

      Objective is needed to understand the purpose of distinction. For example, a state might give certain rights to either category of Muslims and Non-Muslims. Or a private financial grant might be specific for a certain denomination.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 6, 2021 at 6:46 pm

      If a Muslim state wants to build a masjid according to Islamic principles in which they wish no shirk to take place, they must separate between Muslims and non Muslims

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator January 6, 2021 at 6:51 pm

      Sure, that could be a valid objective reason. However, in a nation state if they build a mosque, they would have to do the same for people of other religions in that nation too. However, that’s a separate topic.

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