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  • Why Did God Not Kill Abu Jahal In Childhood?

    Posted by Hakim Ali on February 3, 2021 at 6:04 am

    Aghar khuda janta tha k Abu jehl gunah Kary ga . Or wo apny Bandon sa piyar b karta ha to usna Abu jehl ko bachpan ma q nahi wafat da de jis tarhan hazrat khizar ka waqia ma b bachy ko bachpan ma wafat da de thi? (Surah al kahf)

    Nadeem Minhas replied 3 years ago 8 Members · 40 Replies
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  • Why Did God Not Kill Abu Jahal In Childhood?

    Nadeem Minhas updated 3 years ago 8 Members · 40 Replies
  • ودود

    Member February 3, 2021 at 6:21 am

    Allah is the Creator. He is running the creation process by assigning different roles to its creations e g movers, reactors, fillers, reproducer, makers, designers etc.

    The creation process involves both construction and destruction and thats why there is a need to maintain a balance between good and bad in the universe as the good ones construct and the bad ones destruct.

    Whenever there is a need to fix the balance, Allah ends the role of good or bad people on earth sooner than their natural death.

    This is why Abu Jahal did not die sooner even tho he was a bad guy.

  • Hakim Ali

    Member February 3, 2021 at 6:34 am

    Sir nice examination hall but Mera sawal ya nai tha …. Mtlab Allah ka maqsad acha examination hall banana tha Bandon ka khayal karna nai k wo jahanum ma jayen ga or ya sab wo janta tha or use na roka nai

  • Hakim Ali

    Member February 3, 2021 at 6:37 am

    Iss balance ka liay Abu jehl jahanum ma Jay ga or wo bacha Jo gunnah ka badly saza pa sakta tha wo jannat ma Jay ga ….

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor February 3, 2021 at 6:42 am

    This is one of God’s sunan. He lets people choose what to do. To say something is unfair is arrogant and claiming that our sense of justice is more compete than God’s.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:45 am

      Bhoot achi cheez ha Allah in ko choose karny deta lakin jab wo janta ka Koch log gunnah karain ga to unhaain to bacha sakta

  • Hakim Ali

    Member February 3, 2021 at 6:44 am

    Bahi iss Sunnah ma piyar Nazar nai atta … Phir bachy ko q nai choose karny dia

  • ودود

    Member February 3, 2021 at 6:45 am

    Who knows Allah is sending back the untried souls again in a different body at a different time. We have no knowledge about this and therefore assuming Allah’s justice system is unfair is an unfair assumption.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:47 am

      😂 ya b Sai ha

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:51 am

      What is so funny — please share so i can laugh too.

      When we have limited knowledge how can we find answer to every question that relates to the divine affairs.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:51 am

      Ap ka khiyali plao

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:54 am

      It’s quite a plausible explanation if you ponder over it.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:53 am

      Bachon ka bary ma bataya gia k wo jannat ma hon ga or hamesha bachy rahain ga

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:55 am

      This is also an assumption.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:58 am

      Phir ap ki wali ziyada achi …. Ya Abu yahya wali k un bachon na khud imtehan Dany sa inkar Kia alam e arwah ma

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 7:20 am

      I haven’t read that. Please share the link if possible.

      I thought those who died in young age before puberty will be the “service boys” in the haven is an assumption. There is nothing in Quran re who are those boys.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 7:24 am

      I think Hamza Ali abbasi ka sath videos ma tha … Ya baat to ghamidi Saab b bataty k Allah na imtehan ka bary ma pucha tha .. lakin individually pucha tha ya iss sa qiyas kia

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 7:25 am

      Bilkul un ka pass free will nai hogi q ka unhon na imtehan nai dia

    • Waleed Ahmad

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:13 am

      لیکن بھائی پھر بھی اللّٰه نے اُسے نقصان سے تو بچا لیا حالانکہ کہ وہ اسی امتحان والی دنیا میں تھا اور وجود بھی رکھتا تھا لیکن مر جانے میں تو اُس بچے کا ہی فائدہ ہوا یعنی اللّٰه کو معلوم تھا کہ وہ امتحان میں کیا کرے گا اور اللّٰه نے اُسے بچا لیا

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:28 am

      Mera sawal ya tha k aghar uss bachy ko bachaya to Abu jehl ko q nai?

  • Haris Virk

    Moderator February 3, 2021 at 6:48 am

    انسان کو ارادہ و اختیار اور عمل کی آذادی دی گئی ہے۔ اس کے ساتھ ساتھ اللّٰہ تعالیٰ کی حکمت اور مشیت بھی کارفرما ہے۔ اسی کے تحت وہ بعض اوقات انسانوں کے کسی ارادے کو پورا نہیں ہونے دیتا، مثال کے طور پر اگر کوئی بڑا خلل پیدا ہونے کا امکان ہو یا جس سے دنیا کے نظم میں کوئی غیر معمولی مسئلہ پیدا ہو جائے۔ اسی طرح بعض اوقات خدا کسی فرد یا گروہ کو فساد برپا کرنے یا سر اٹھانے کی مہلت دیتا ہے، اس میں بھی بحیثیتِ مجموعی اسکی خلق کیلئے کوئی حکمت و مصلحت مد نظر ہوتی ہے، جیسے اہل حق کی آزمائش یا اہل باطل پر حجت تمام کرنا تاکہ انکے پاس کوئی عذر نہ رہے۔ خدا کی اسی سنت کے تحت ان دونوں معاملات کو سمجھنا چاہیے۔ اور اس بات کو ذہن میں رکھتے ہوئے ، ایسے سوالات کے جوابات کیلئے قیامت کے دن کا انتظار کرنا چاہیے جب ہم اپنے خالق سے ملیں گے۔ اس وقت ، مجھے یقین ہے کہ وہ ہمارے ساتھ مزید تفصیلات شیئر کرے گا۔

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:50 am

      Sai

  • Nadeem Minhas

    Member February 3, 2021 at 8:24 am

    To my understanding Allah gave a choice of free will to be the best of his creation. We took the challenge of free will. Then to prove that we are the best we had to show that we are capable of using our free will correctly.

    Allah already knew what each person would do and he could have assigned some of us to the greater status than others, but then others would have complained that they didn’t get a chance to prove themselves.

    Thus, Allah created this test environment to give us a chance to prove ourselves, but I think in exchange for a chance to prove ourselves, he said that he will punish those who will fail the test and those who never believed or never asked for Allah’s forgiveness before death. If we had no taken the free will choice and not taken the test, Allah would have not have punished us.

    I also think that kids that die in young age may have been given another chance in another body to prove themselves later.

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:27 am

      I don’t agree .. but thanks

    • Nadeem Minhas

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:32 am

      Brother Hakim, I love and respect disagreement. It is mostly my opinion any way except for the following from Quran.

      -Allah asked us if we want to take responsibility of free will and the whole universe all creatures refused it, but humans

      -Allah knows in advance what each person will do.

      -Creation of test environment and rewards and punishment

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:34 am

      Sai thanks

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 3, 2021 at 8:43 am
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar February 3, 2021 at 8:47 am

    خدا کی محبت کے تصور کو درست کرنے کی ضرورت ہے۔ خدا کی محبت ویسی نہیں جیسے ہمارے ہاں بیان کی جاتی ہے۔ وہ ماں جیسی جذباتی محبت نہیں کرتا۔ دنیا اس نے انسانوں سے محبت کرنے کے لیے نہیں، بلکہ اپنی ذات اور صفات کے اظہار کے لیے بنائی ہے۔ اس نے چاہا کہ انسانوں کو آزمایش میں ڈالے اور پورے انصاف سے ان کا فیصلہ کرے۔ جو فیل ہوتا ہے اسے سزا دے۔ اگر صرف محبت ہوتی تو خدا ایسا نظام ہی نہ بناتا۔ اس لیے خدا صرف محبت نہیں ہے۔ یہ کہا جا سکتا ہے کہ خدا کو ایسا امتحان بنانے کی ضرورت نہیں تھی۔ یقینا اسے ایسی کوئی ضرورت نہیں تھی، مگر اس نے ایسا ہی چاہا۔ یہ اس کی مشیئت تھی۔
    دوسری بات یہ کہ دنیا کا نظام بنا دینے کے بعد وہ جب چاہتا ہے اس میں مداخلت کرتا ہے اور جو کچھ نارمل طریقے سے ہونے والا تھا اسے روک یا بدل دیتا ہے۔ یہ جن حکمتوں پر مبنی ہوتا ہے اس کا علم اس نے ہمیں نہیں دیا۔ البتہ یہ اصولی بات بتا دی ہے کہ وہ عدل سے کام لیتا ہے کسی پر ظلم نہیں کرتا۔ ابو جہل کو جو ملا وہ اس کی اپنا انتخاب تھا اور اس کافر ہو سکنے والے بچے کو موت دے کر خدا نے جو کیا وہ کسی بڑی مصلحت کے پیش نظر کیا جس کا علم ہمیں نہیں دیا گیا۔

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:54 am

      Totally don’t agree with your khuda ki muhabat ki definition

    • Hakim Ali

      Member February 3, 2021 at 8:54 am

      Thanks for answer

    • Nadeem Minhas

      Member February 3, 2021 at 12:20 pm

      Brother Irfan. What you are saying makes sense to me.

  • ودود

    Member February 3, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    There is another point to consider — not all bad people go to hell but only those who knowingly and willingly reject the truth.

    The kid was going to embark on a wrong path but we dont know if he would do it knowingly and willingly or by error of judgement in finding the truth.

    So assuming his soul was destined to hell and by an early death he escaped the punishment but the other bad souls did not get this favor is not a valid objection

    • Waleed Ahmad

      Member February 3, 2021 at 5:01 pm

      Brother so do you mean that an error of judgment can’t be considered as sin because it doesn’t lead you to hell.? Just think about it if something doesn’t effect you negatively How it can be a sin.? Now tell me what is mentioned in Quran about that child.? Was He going to commit sin.?

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 5:26 pm

      The point is whether someone who commits a sin in error will go to hell or not. I am not saying doing bad in error is not a sin.

    • Waleed Ahmad

      Member February 3, 2021 at 5:31 pm

      If Someone doesn’t even know what He is doing is a sin How can it be a sin for him.?

    • ودود

      Member February 3, 2021 at 5:41 pm

      Exactly, thats why he wont go to hell even tho he has committed an evil act.

      It’s like a baby who breaks his father’s expensive watch is not likely to get punishment from his father even tho the baby has caused a damage.

    • Waleed Ahmad

      Member February 3, 2021 at 6:07 pm

      These are the translation of verses from Surah Al kahf.

      “And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.”

      “So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy.”

      I think in above verses we can clearly see that Allah intended to changed him to be better in righteousness. So it seems that Allah saved Him form “rebellion and disbelief” by giving him an early death.

  • Nadeem Minhas

    Member February 3, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    Another purpose of human creation also described in Quran is to prove the victory of right over wrong.

    Could it be that since Iblis refused to fall prostrate to a lesser beings who he and angels thought will only cause trouble in the World. But Allah wanted to prove that his new creation is superior and thus overall right will prevail over wrong to prove Iblis incorrect.

    Is this universe created to prove Iblis wrong? Perhaps.

    Then in this case perhaps all people who are doing wrong in this World will be forgiven and sent to a lesser heaven after some punishment. Or perhaps they will be given permanent death.

    I am guessing this because Allah has only threatened bad people with hell for eternity, except as he wills. On the other hand he promised heaven to good people for eternity, except as he wills. And Allah never breaks his promise.

  • ودود

    Member February 3, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    Good will prevail over bad. That’s very obvious from Quran but man was created to prove Iblis was wrong doesn’t make sense. Adam was created before Iblis disobeyed God so that one is out of questions. Also Iblis is not so important that to prove him wrong, the fate of million of souls is put on stake. This only thing that justifies the game of trial is assign a designer role in the Creators’s process of on-going creation.

    However this is only a theory that helps me understand Quran better.

    • Nadeem Minhas

      Member February 3, 2021 at 7:29 pm

      Same here, I am proposing various theories. Just in support of my theory, Adam and Eve were in heaven until Iblis misguided them and then they were sent down to earth and then all this process started.

      Also as soon as Adam was created, angels knew that from him human race will start and create problems, that is why they asked Allah the question, why he created such a creation. Iblis refused at that time and Iblis knew that humans will be establish on earth. Thus he promised to misguide them and Allah said that the humans that will follow him will be sent to hell. That is where God will prevail over evil came up.

      I still think, it is possible we are here to prove good over evil.

    • Nadeem Minhas

      Member February 3, 2021 at 7:41 pm

      Since we are going on a tangent now, I have started a new thread named …”Are we here to prove good over evil to prove Iblis wrong?”

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