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How Do We Obey The Prophet And Should We?
My stance on the question…….
(4:80) Whoever obeys the messenger, has surely obeyed God; to whoever turns away: We have not sent you as a guardian over them. (4:81) And they say: “[We pledge] obedience!” Then, when they are no longer in your presence, a group among them plots during the night against what you say. But God records what they plot during the night. So turn away from them and put [your] trust in God. God suffices when it comes to trust. (4:82) Why do they not reflect upon the Quran? If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.
The verse does not tell us to reflect about the Quran and hadiths delivered by the prophet Muhammad, but simply to reflect about the Quran because it is a message without any contradictions, unlike any message delivered by any human being, including the prophet Muhammad.
This implies that the religious message that the last prophet delivered was the Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but the Quran. Muhammad’s own imperfect sayings would have at times interfered with the flawless divine revelation. I will prove this by quoting the Quran that even though Muhammad was a messenger of God, he was a very imperfect man;
(33:37) Recall that you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you, “Keep your wife and reverence God,” and you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim. Thus, you feared the people, when you were supposed to fear only God. When Zeid was completely through with his wife, we had you marry her, in order to establish the precedent that a man may marry the divorced wife of his adopted son. God’s commands shall be done.
(66:1) O you prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Oft Forgiving, Merciful.
In 33:37, Muhammad made a catastrophic mistake as he knew about God’s command regarding the right to marry the wife of an adopted child after a divorce, but did not divulge it because he was more afraid of people than God! A similar sin is mentioned in 66:1, as Muhammad prohibited what God had made lawful, seeking to please his wives.
In spite of several verses of the Quran showing that Muhammad was just an imperfect human being just like everybody else.
Ok now even if we had had authentic hadiths from him written at the time he was alive (other than those cited by the Quran), following them and some of their mistakes would have been a scenario of disaster for the Muslim world.
– (1) Now that the prophet Muhammad is dead, we still can obey him following all the authentic hadiths and examples found in the Quran, which is the only authentic and reliable collection of hadiths that was left to us. This is why every time we obey Muhammad reading the Quran and follow his good example, we obey God directly since he is the one who designed the Quran and chose which hadiths of messengers (and human beings in general) should be used as examples (4:80).
– (2) We have to obey God and the messenger’s perfect teachings and hadiths that are perfectly preserved directly in the Quran and certainly not the unreliable fables written down 200 years or more after his death: We pointed at earlier that there are 332 such authentic hadiths of the prophet in the Quran, which is every time God orders to Muhammad to “say” [Qul! = “Say!”, second person masculine in the imperative] a specific sentence. The Quran is a conversation between Allah and the holy prophet. In addition to the 332 “qul!” (Second person singular, imperative form), God speaks to the prophet in the second person singular hundreds more times (for example: 15:87, 96:1, 108:1, 112:1…).
When Muhammad was alive, the believers had the obligation to obey him as a messenger of God, as a head of state and as a commander in chief. Incredibly, nothing of what Muhammad said when he was alive was ever written down, except sayings which God ordered him to recite and decided would directly be part of the Quran. It is very disturbing for hadiths followers that some hadiths classified as the most authentic (Muslim & Ibn Hanbal) tell us that Muhammad himself had in reality forbidden any of his sayings to be written down, except those chosen by God to be part of the Quranic revelation. No one dared to disobey Muhammad at the time, and it is the only logical explanation why we had to wait for at least 200 years to start seeing ignorant people like Bukhari and Muslim attempt to collect sayings that had been forbidden to be collected in the first place:
Abi Saeed Al Khudry may God be pleased with him reported that the messenger of God may God exalt him & grant him peace said: “Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Anyone who writes anything other than the Quran shall erase it.”!!! (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Ibn Hanbal 3/12,21,39)
Furthermore, the language of the Quran is very specific and we are never told to “follow God and follow Muhammad” literally, but instead to “follow God and follow the messenger”. This is because when the prophet was alive Muslims had to follow him directly as a messenger who was reciting and following strictly the perfect Arabic Quran. When the prophet died, the Quran replaced Muhammad as a messenger since we find many of the last prophet’s authentic sayings and actions, as well as those of so many humans (messengers or not) in the history of mankind. In addition, we are left with a complete revelation which stands as a testament.
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How Do We Obey The Prophet And Should We?
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You can read about 33:37 here http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=36569#83 . The prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was not of such character to viciously be arrogant in the face of God أعوذ بالله من الشيىطان الرجيم . It is clear from the whole context of the previous ayaat and the next ones that the hypocrites were looking to find anything to smear the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم ‘s reputations. God was simply reminding him to not worry about the people and that he was in God’s care
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It’s human behavoir, it can’t be helped Ahmad.
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To say it was ‘a catastrophic’ thing and a ‘sin’ is not appropriate
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appropriate in your understanding you mean?
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Of course
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You can read about the surah tahrim situation here: http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=1272
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We receive the religion of God through his messenger. Of course he is obeying God also. The issue is that we do not receive revelation directly so it is in fact a technicality that when we follow God through the Quran that we are obeying the messenger. This is outlined in 4:80 where obeying both entities is shown to have overlap. The Quran is clear that we have to obey the messenger. This is because he has been given this authority from God himself to be obeyed in matters of religion.
As you mentioned the terminology is ‘obey the messenger’. So this should be clear that we must follow him in his religious capacity as a ‘messenger’.
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“As you mentioned the terminology is ‘obey the messenger’. So this should be clear that we must follow him in his religious capacity as a ‘messenger’.”
What did the messenger do?
read this verse
(7:203) And whenever you do not bring them a verse (for instance to answer their questions), they say: “Why didn’t you make up one?!” Proclaim (O Muhammad): “I follow exclusively (انما = “only”, “exclusively” = exclusive particle) what is revealed to me from my Lord”! This (solemn proclamation) is enlightenment from your Lord (“your” = second person plural = all Muslims), and guidance and mercy for people who believe.
He followed exclusively what god revealed to him, not his desires not anyone else, only god.
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I agree. What is the issue? We still have to obey him
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Tell me how though, I say by the quran alone.
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By the things he told us were religion. This includes the Quran yes
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I also substantiated why we should use the quran alone with nothing else… no hadith no sunnah thats not in the quran or even supported
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Sunnah is simply a term. When the Quran says to pray the question arises how do we pray? And we realise that the Quran references many prophets praying such as zakariyya عليه السلام and Musa عليه السلام . The same way, Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم prayed and through ijma and tawattur, it reaches us. Sunnah is simply a description of this phenomenon of the prophets following the same tradition
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Its in the quran, why dont you ponder over it. how you pray is in the quran, secondly allah teaches us how to pray not the prophet, the prophet passed down how to pray which is in the quran. the Quran describes the practice of five daily prayers, four of which are mandatory. The Quran provides all details of the salât, including the ablutions, tone of voice, number of daily raka’ât (two per prayer), bowings, prostrations, tashahuds, etc…
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Seriously 4 prayers are mandatory out of 5! and each prayer has just 2 rakah!
The mode of transmission of salah & its rakaats is just as strong as that of quran.
Just like your bizarre conjectures, other ‘quran only people’ have also made such claims. For reference you may look to what Parvez sb understood by salah & zakah.
You seriously need to understand how Quran talks. It never teaches mode of salah or its rakah. It always talks about salah as a known ritual.
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It’a actaully does brother, allah himself says the 5th is optionall (the night prayer, see 17:79), all salah is mention in quran how to perform them is mention as well, this salah you sunni or shia pray is not what the ritual prayer allah taught the prophets.
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God proclaims directly in the Holy Quran that it is fully detailed (6:114, 7:52, 10:37) and that we shall follow no other “hadith” except the Quran (7:185. 31:6, 45:6, 77:50). Despite this clear proclamation and divine warnings (25:30), Sunni and Shia Muslims have chosen to rebel against God. You people insist upon following medieval traditions and laws written down two centuries after the death of the prophet for the earliest hadith compilations which blatantly contradict the letter and spirit of the Quran. How preposterous!
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Our source of knowledge is prophet Mohammad saw. Even Quran has come from him. You can not deny his personality or saying because he is the source of knowledge.
Now about hadith, Hadiths are historical records which donot add any thing to religion we just understand how Prophet Mohammad saw has done things.
Kindly read this thread for more understanding
Discussion 1042As Ahmad rightly said, alongwith Quran sunnah is another source which has been transferred through Ijma and tawatur. Read this thread for more understanding
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Allah is the source of knowledge ultimatly and the quran is the word of god not the prophet pbuh.
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Yes and that’s where 4:80 comes in. We are not arguing who the ultimate source is but that for you to read the Quran you are basically obeying the messenger because in a practical sense you got it from him
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But one could say that all verses related to obeying the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم are to do with the sahabah because they are the primary addressees. What is the evidence that those verses still apply nowadays to us since now we have the Quran so to say we are obeying the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم in the sense that the sahabah would’ve is a bit of a stretch it seems
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