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  • Importance Of Hadith In Sunnah And Overall Islam

    Posted by Ahmad Shoaib on July 8, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    We recently had a talk on this website concerning the sources of hadith and concluded in the end that to fully prove or disprove something as a sunnah we must refr to old books of fiqh and hadith if amali tawatur presents us with ikhtilaaf. So my question is pertaining to the statement of Ghamidi sahab that hadith neither add or subtract anything from the deen and that everything is present in the Quran and sunnah. But if the sunnah require hadith then how is this true?

    $ohail T@hir replied 3 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Importance Of Hadith In Sunnah And Overall Islam

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  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor July 8, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    If we take the statement of Ghamidi sahab to be true that hadith cannot add or subtract anything from the religion then why did he use 1200 in his book? Because to confirm the sunnah we require these hadith and old fiqh books. Otherwise how can we claim that our amali tawattur is correct compared to the shias or not. Or how can we say that there was allowance in praying in different ways. If the transmission contained the fard or nafal nature of the action then why is there so much ikhtilaaf on a massive level?

    • Umer

      Moderator July 8, 2020 at 11:46 pm

      History, fiqh & Ahadith books are consulted to disprove ijma & amali tawatur (just like we did in reciting of adhan and iqamat in newborn’s ears). They are never used to prove ijma and amali tawatur (beacause no one disagrees with a significant portion of them). And sometimesthey are used to present other people’s mistake in interpretation of a particular hadith which they conflated with Sunnah.

      The difference in interpretation of Sunnah is no different than difference in interpretation of Quranic verses. Since the nature of content is different in both transmissions i.e. words (Quran) Vs. Actions (Sunnah), therefore the nature of their interpretation and the differences arising out of those interpretations is also different in nature.

      Hadith neither adds nor subtracts anything, it would be better if you could present any such hadith that according to you adds or subtracts anything. Ghamidi sb. used all those ahadith as a uswa (role model) of prophet or sometimes as an explanation of some religious content which, even in the absence of that hadith, was completely understood.

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor July 9, 2020 at 3:19 am

    For example the Hadith about eating food in your vessel even if you hear the Adhan of fajr. This goes against common sense that if fasting has started you stop eating. Also I’m not sure if this action has amali tawattur. Some people even quote a different context to this hadith

    • Umer

      Moderator July 9, 2020 at 6:01 am

      This has nothing to do with amali tawattur as I see it. It was a simple ijtihad of prophet based on nature of how ‘Fajr‘ time is determined. Since the timing of fasting was determined on best estimate as there was no better scientific way of determining such timings as we have today. So Prophet (sws) based on this premise, gave this relaxation. It was a simple allowance for the margin of error that was obvious to have been made. As Ghamidi sb. has said on several occasions, we should not analyze “Past” with an eye of “Present”; we need to live that past in our mind to see things better.

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor July 9, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    Could you please shed some light on what is a mutawattir amal? Is it something that the entire ummah is follwoing, or something that a certain firqa is following? And how can we check the sanad of this? Today we know eid milaad un nabi is not sunnah, but how do we know this, we know this from books, and we have to check them. So what is the affair of this?

  • Beenish Hussain

    Member July 10, 2020 at 1:41 am

    A simple rule of thumb to identify sunnah (practices of Prophet saw) is that it is amli tawatur which is accepted by ijma across all Muslims (not a certain aqeedah only). Also, if ANYONE was going to do something against an established Sunnah it will be thrown out/disapproved instantly by consenses

    For example, if someone says to pray 4 rakat farz in Maghreb or start doing sehri at Zohar, that would need no quran or Hadith to substantiate its inaccuracy. Although many people think they can show Ahadith to prove otherwise, but absent Hadith books the argument will still fall flat, meaning sunnah is not practiced because of Ahadith but amli tawatur. As a result, even without Ahadith, It would automatically be rejected by the masses. This is the beauty of sunnah! It stands as an independent source and is accepted without being dependent on Quran/Ahadith.

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