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  • No More Slaves To Be Made In Wars

     Umer updated 1 month, 3 weeks ago 5 Members · 11 Posts
  • Sohail Kouser

    Member April 25, 2021 at 8:59 am

    Salaam

    I heard Ghamidi sb saying that Islam did not allow any new slaves be made in a war . But in the hadith written below it clearly says captives were taken.

    So what has Ghamidi sb to say about this hadith.

    Thanks

    Bukhari 4138

    Captives taken and sex with captives

    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:

    I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, “We went out with Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.”

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator April 25, 2021 at 9:33 am

    Where does it say that they were enslaved?

    • Sohail Kouser

      Member April 25, 2021 at 9:42 am

      Hi

      They were captives which means prisoners. So sex can only be allowed if they were made slave girls.

      So if they were not enslaved then how can the companions be allowed to have sex with them?

      Thanks

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator April 25, 2021 at 9:50 am

      The narration is not allowing sex. It’s simply a comment about coitus interruptus. Most narrations do not relate the context so it should not be inferred from the narration that sex with captives was allowed.

    • Sohail Kouser

      Member April 25, 2021 at 10:01 am

      The context clearly is: The captive women with whom the companions desired sex and asked the Prophet’s advice. The Prophet by giving them advice allowed it.

      Maybe the hadith is problematic, Ghamidi sb can shed more light.

      Thanks

  • Haris Ali Virk

    Moderator April 25, 2021 at 11:19 am

    Please refer to this from 11:56 to 13:42

    https://youtu.be/hLYwl2NB3Ao?t=716

  • Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar April 25, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    According to Ghamidi sahib after prohibition of enslaving the captives of war this practice ceased. The incident referred is said to be before the prohibition.

  • Umer

    Moderator April 25, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    Please also refer to the video below from 12:24 to 16:57

    https://youtu.be/NfJyuUWmYsE?t=744

  • Umer

    Moderator April 25, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    For more details on gradual approach adopted by Islam to abolish slavery, please refer to following threads:

    Discussion 30330

    Discussion 1763

  • Umer

    Moderator April 26, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    Please also refer to the video below from 1:15:44 to 1:20:18

    https://youtu.be/NyN171MwbmM?t=4544

  • Umer

    Moderator April 26, 2021 at 5:02 pm

    Please also refer to the video below from 1:03:11 to 1:06:54

    https://youtu.be/u9S64cSYaUg?t=3791

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