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  • Jurisdiction Of Govt. In Law Making

    Posted by Talha Mujahid on August 3, 2021 at 12:53 am

    I hope that this will be last thread on this topic and it will clear everything. Inshallah.

    But I want to request you instead of referencing other threads just give me point to point answer.

    Ghamdi Sb stated that Govt. can only make laws when there is haq talfi or ziadti.

    Please give the general definition of both of them. Then I’ll continue my rest of question.

    Umer replied 3 years, 4 months ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Jurisdiction Of Govt. In Law Making

    Umer updated 3 years, 4 months ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 3, 2021 at 10:53 am

    Haq Talfi menas not to give away someone his or her rights

    Ziyadti means to transgress and usurp ones rights

    • Talha Mujahid

      Member August 3, 2021 at 10:59 am

      Right…

      According to Ghamidi Sb. State can also make law regarding obscenity.

      Obscenity is not haq talfi and ziadti.

      Then is this exceptional case?

      In one video, ghamidi sb said ‘state can make law for the prevention of both zina bil jabar and zana bil raza’

      Zina bil raza is also neither haq talfi nor ziadti

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 3, 2021 at 11:08 am

    Things which leads to haq talfi and ziyadti are stopped by law this is called sadd e zarya. Obscenity leads to Zina that is why it can be stopped with the power of law.

    • Talha Mujahid

      Member August 3, 2021 at 11:20 am

      Zina bil raza is not haq talfi or ziadti

      It’s of third type.

      Why ghamidi sb not add this

      Haq Talfi, Ziadti and Zina

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 3, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    Zina with consent makes one unfaithful to one’s spouse, affect the family institution and thus makes the children suffer for having divuded attention. That is why even the otherwise very open society of West doesn’t allow extramarital relation. So it is haq talfi. For the same reason is not allowed to unmarried too in Islam. Here it is for Sadd e zarya, preventive measure. What has to be forbidden after marriage needs to be avoided before marriage too.

    • Talha Mujahid

      Member August 3, 2021 at 11:07 pm

      Thank you so much. Alhamdulillah cleared.

      But should homosexuality also be prevented by Law?

      It does the same as fornication that is ruining family institution.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 4, 2021 at 12:23 am

    Yes, of course. Law will not allow it and if reported legal action will be taken.

  • Umer

    Moderator August 4, 2021 at 2:49 am

    You may also want to refer to the following response by Ghamidi Sahab if you haven’t already:

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