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Women Having Relations With Slaves
Was this allowed when slavery was being finished according to the Quran?
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Women Having Relations With Slaves
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I think it was not the practice of Arabs, even before.
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But does the Quran prohibit It?
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No it does not because there was no point in prohibiting a practice that was not there to begin with.
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And consensus of the scholars is an evidence how?
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What do you mean by ‘how’ ?
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As in how is it considered a piece of evidence- how is it ok to build your argument upon it?
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Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, Allah will not let my nation agree upon misguidance. The hand of Allah is over the united community.”
Al-Tirmidhi said, “The interpretation of the united community, according to the scholars, are the people of Fiqh, knowledge, and Hadith.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2167
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
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This hadith is weak according to Ghamidi sahab and even if it wasn’t the word is dalalah not khata. You can see shehzad Saleem’s video on this
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Al Mustadark al Hakim 399
Al Mu’jam Al Kabir Tabarani 13448
These are reports are authentic and word ضَلَالَةٍ also means error misguidance etc etc…..
As mentioned in that thread “It is impossible that the whole ummah be united in straying into some error. The reason for this is that the difference between guidance and error has been made evident to a conclusive degree.” But there’s ahadith that Beenish Hussain pointed it out about Hzt Umar r.a. but wording is not like that it’s says if you find a issue then look for it in quran if not mentioned there then look it in sunnat e Rasool if not there then look at consensus of Muslim if still not then do ijtehad….
Musannaf ibn abi shayba 22990
This proves that ijma is only for those issues which is not clearly mentioned in quran or sunnah of prophet
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This is not the thread for ijma. Also ‘the ummah’ means the whole ummah not just scholars. Enough resources have been provided to show this hadith is not authentic and that the wording does not allow for this interpretation that women cannot have relations with their slaves.
Anything said has to have a basis in the Quran or sunnah and can’t just be made up with whims and desires
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That thread is closed so I can’t respond there anyway I wasn’t talking about hadith in trimidhi but same hadith present in different books with different authentic chain…. that thread doesn’t talk about authenticity of report why its not authentic but interpretation of that ahadith. Ummah doesn’t mean whole ummah but as Imam Trimidhi said it refers to people of knowledge…. Btw Jews Christians Hindus are also included in Ummah. Does it apply to all those huh?
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That same Hadith is not in other collections afaik.
And if the Hadith wanted to say ahlul ilm it could’ve but it didn’t. Please make a new thread for this topic and tag me in it.
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You may want to refer to this thread:
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According to 4:34
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means.
In my opinion woman can’t own a slave for herself. I may be wrong, correct me if I am
Quran 4:24 says about right hand posses that usually refers to female slaves not male
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Sure I think 4:24 is a good evidence
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