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  • Ijma Aur Tawatur Aur Nuzool E Maseeh Ki Rawayaat

    Posted by Nazar Muhammad on August 20, 2021 at 9:05 am

    Assalam o Alaikum mera sada sa sawal ye hee jis ka urdu me hi jawab type kr ke jawab dia jaee me ghamidi sahab ki nuzol e maseh wali video dek raha tha jaha unho ne sab se pehle Ummat ke zahiri ijma or ummat ke us ijma jise ghamidi sahab ijmah kehte hein frk kr die jse ke ye ummat ka ijma he or ye akhbar e ahad ke mutvatir ravio ka ijma he magar mera sawal ye he ke jab humare pas time machine nahi he ke hum past me safar kr ke dekh kr aae pata chalae ke ye bat pehle se mashoor thi ijma thi ya nahi thi bad me ijma bani to jab bad me humare pas ak box ata he jis per labble laga huta he ijma or us ke ander huta he x nazaria or y nazaria to ap kse keh skte hein ke x nazaria sahaba ka nazaria he y nazaria sahaba ka ijma ya ummat ka ijma ni jse ap ummat ka ijma kehte hu kio hume to wo dono bate ijma ke box me miliyani is per zahiri tor per ummat jama hu gai jama hu gai to matlab ummat ka ijma hu gya to ye apki ijma ki jo defination he us per filter kon sa laga he jo btae ga ke ummat ne x nazaria per or y nazaria per ijma kia he magar un me se x nazaria dar hakekat ijma ummat ni he sirf y he ye ap ko kse pata?????

    Ali Shaikh replied 2 years, 10 months ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Ijma Aur Tawatur Aur Nuzool E Maseeh Ki Rawayaat

    Ali Shaikh updated 2 years, 10 months ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator August 20, 2021 at 9:37 am

    Ap is video ko dekhen 13:29 min say 56:64 tk
    Is main ghamidi sb nay btaya hai, hadees ki pehli kitab yani sahifa hamam bin munabbe main is ka ziker nahi isi trah Imam malik ki mota main bhi tazkera nahi. Is liye hum kehsktay hai us zamany main hazrat isa wali riwayat sahaba main aam nahi thi.

    https://youtu.be/FyeYM_bAm5Y?t=818

    • Ali Shaikh

      Member August 20, 2021 at 10:20 am

      Assalamualaikum I found an article responding to this argument, Can you please go through it….

      https://www.icraa.org/ghamidi-muwatta-return-eisa/

    • Ahsan

      Moderator August 20, 2021 at 12:41 pm

      Ghamidi sb never said Mawta is first hadith book. You can read listen his argument from 13:00 onwards. Seconldy His main arguments are from Quran.

    • Ali Shaikh

      Member August 21, 2021 at 6:26 am

      Ghamidi sab said at 32:37 there wasn’t any book complied by Mamar bin Rashid rather it was part of Musnad Ahmad later he said there is debate going on regarding it… but according to early scholars nd academics there is much evidence that it’s a work of Mammar bin Rashid

      https://www.icraa.org/al-jami-of-mamar-bin-rashid-extinct-or-extant/

    • Ali Shaikh

      Member August 21, 2021 at 6:38 am

      Theres ahadith in mawta imam Malik where prophet saw mentioned both isa a.s. and dajjal

      Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, “I dreamt at night that I was at the Kaba, and I saw a dark man like the most handsome of dark men you have ever seen. He had hair reaching to between his ears and his shoulders like the most excellent of such hair that you have seen. He had combed his hair, and water was dripping from it. He was leaning on two men or on the shoulders of two men doing tawaf around Kaba. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ It was said, ‘al- Masih ibn Maryam.’ Then we were with a man with wiry hair and blind in his right eye, as if it was a floating grape. I asked ‘Who is this?’ It was said to me, ‘This is al-Masih ad-Dajjal.’ “

      USC-MSA web (English) : Book 49, Hadith 2 Arabic : Book 49, Hadith 1675 Muwatta Malik

  • Nazar Muhammad

    Member August 20, 2021 at 10:18 am

    chalein ap hi ke usolo per bat kr lete hein jesa ke pkehte hein ke agar kissi ka itmenan kisi or bat per hu wo galat nahi he to me ye kehta hu ke apke ijma ki defination me frk krne ki dalel ki buniad asar per he to pir to asar mukhalif frek ke pas buhut qavi hein magar ap to apne is buniad ko sirf asar per ni chor skte na agar apke ke is frk krne ki dalel kud asar per he or wo asar kamzor he han agar me kahu me asar per hi bat kr raha hu to me bhi kisi ki nazar me kamzor hu skta hu per zahiri ijma ka kia jse ke pori ummat ak bat per jamaa hu jae or mukhalif frek alg hu jae to is ijma ko dalel bna kr me apni bat rakhu or ap is ijma me frk krne ke lie asar se madad le pir to aapki dalel kamzor hu jae gi or apki bat ki buniad bhi pir tehqeq krne per pata chalti he k wo in chuninda asar per he to logically asar vs asar deka jae mukhalif frek ke asar qavi he magar us me chance mojod he ke ap hi ki bat sahe hu kio ke he to asar magar kia ap ijma ke level ki dalel la skte hu jis se apki bat ki buniad bhi kam se km brabar hu jaee jis me do trfa mumka bat ke imkan peda hu jae ya ap dosrre nazarie ko kamzor kr de jsee ke ye ijma he hi ni per apke bat ki buniad bhi isi level ki hu jse keisper mukammal ummat ka ijma hu ab ap kse kre ge to me uski koi misal batata hu kia ap esa kr skte hein ke ap ak esi bat ummat muslima ki challange kre jis per poori ummat jama hu magar wo bat quran hades ke kilaf hu or wo vakai ummat ke ijma ki galti hu to me us tamsel se amjh skoga ke hn agar is level per galti hu skti he ke ijma ko hi glti lag gai he ya thi per bt ye he to yha bhi chances hu skte he pir apki bat mani ja skti he gor krne ke bad

    • Ahsan

      Moderator August 20, 2021 at 12:45 pm

      AP ki baat say esa mehsoos hota hai ky ap ko Ghamidi sb ki ijma o twatur ka sahi ilm nahi. AP unki ijma o tawatur per unki videos dekhain. Ap ko smjh ajega

  • Nazar Muhammad

    Member August 20, 2021 at 10:25 am

    Ali sheikh Walikum Assalam muje urdu padne me asani hutii he to isi post per muje samjha den

  • Umer

    Moderator August 21, 2021 at 5:26 am

    ijma aur tawatur kisi cheez kai feham kai muntaqil honay ka naam nhi, balkay kissi waqaiay ya maloomaat kai alfaaz aur amal kai muntaqil honay ka naam hai, jaisay kai Quran kai alfaaz ka muntaqil hona shuru sai akhair tak itni bari tadaad un alfaaz ko muntaqil karay kai unka jhoot par jama hona na mumkin hoo.

    Ghamidi Sahab ka nuqta nazar ijma aur tawatur par mazeed tafseel sai jannay kai liya neechay di gae videos mulahiza karain:

    Please refer to the video below from 39:38 to 48:44

  • Umer

    Moderator August 21, 2021 at 5:26 am

    Please also refer to the video below from 00:00 to 30:20

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