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Stopping Before Fornication
Can someone give me the reference and understanding of this hadith Which javed ahmed ghamidi said .
The hadith is ” prophet muhammad said:- If someone crosses all the limits but stops before doing fornication , he/ she will not be questioned.”.
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Stopping Before Fornication
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can you refer where he said it?
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https://youtu.be/l16ad6WN0Q0. At the end of this video
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The hadith understanding is taken from this one
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2152 -
According to this ,one will not be questioned if he/she crosses all the boundaries but stops before doing zina by fearing allah.
I am in very confusion with these hadidth. These means that all of the acts before zina will not be questioned by Allah and it’s not a sin.
According to my understanding of this hadith only zina will be questioned by Allah but if the person repented in a true way after doing this act?.
But If you say all of these acts will also questionable then why this hadidth mentioning specificly to the fornication.
Does it mean that fornication won’t be forgiven even after repenting ?
But I know that everykind of act is forgiven if repented in a true way.
So only one understading can be taken from this hadith that all of these acts before fornication are sadde zariya or discouraged but not a sin and if someone does fornication then it is sin and will be questioned if not repented.
I am looking for a clear reply.
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Since its difficult to control oneself from fornication after you cross boundaries of physical touch. Hence, on the basis of sadde zariya every thing is prohibited even lustful stare. Since it will be considered during punishment if you commit fornication, it must be taken as sin.
Once a person commit fornication, then he will be punished for all accounts including starting point that is lustful stare.
Repenting and forgiveness is in hand of Allah, we can hope it will be forgiven depending on the knowledge of person.
If a person commit fornication knowingly that its one of worst crime, then it means he did istikbar meanin “sarkishi in urdu” so chances are thin. The whole matter is in the hnad of Allah, we cannot for sure what will happen.
One must restrain from such acts
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Okay so All of things done before fornication will take into consideration only when fornication will take place or else it won’t.
Also according to my knowledge..It doesn’t depend on the knowledge of a person only.
Situation,how much a person is affected, enviroment, how he grew up, ability, maturity,each and every things depends. Even after having a knowledge people do sins .
Sometimes realizations take time in a person’s life to change himself completely.
My point is Allah will surely forgive a person if he mend his way or trying to mend his way of life .
The thing is if a person is in deathbed and then he repent then Allah will not forgive him apart from that Allah is Ar-Rahman and Ar-raheem.
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I failed to understand your follow-up question. Can you please state it again?
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@Zubair brother saday zaria purpose is to protect us from bigger sin .you can call saday zaria as preventive meaures they may vary also.saday zaria (preventive measure are not sinful act inself).
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Ok.
According to this hadith:-
Ibn ‘Abbas said “I did not see anything more resembling to minor sins than what Abu Hurairah reported from the Prophet (ﷺ) who said “Allaah has decreed for the children of Adam a share in adultery, he will get it by all means, the adultery of eyes is looking; the adultery of tongue is speaking; the soul desires and has a passion; the private parts confirms or falsifies it.”
The undestanding taken from this hadith by ghamidi sb. that If a person crosses all the boundaries but stops before intercourse by fearing Allah then Allah will won’t question him but If not then Allah will question him.
So my understanding is All of these things will be taken into consideration only when zina will take place or else it won’t.
The another question which lies within this question is “does it mean that the fornicator/fornicatress will not be forgiven ?.
Cause according to my understanding of this hadith Allah will question if it take place.
But if a person repent later I strongly believe that the person will be forgiven .
Even most the the scholar says this too.
According to my knowledge A person won’t be forgiven if he does sins all of his life but start to repent on his death bed and a person who dies as a mushrik knowingly.
So according to this If a person did big sins knowinlgy or not knowingly but repent later and mend his way then he will surely be forgiven by Allah.
I mentioned the word “knowingly” because sometimes even after knowing a person commit sins.Sometimes what it takes after knowledge is realization and Change.
It’s not possible for a person to change suddenly after having a knowlegde on a particular thing. How he grew up, his past, how he got affected I think All of these things depends.
The main factor according to me is how much a person is trying, how much he is capable to try from time to time. This is what matters the most.
And A person can be guided by Allah at any time and Also no matter what the time is If a person mend his way or try to mend his way then Allah will surely give mercy to him .
Correct me If I Am wrong.
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@Zubair brother in my opinion in principle you are right.
but saday zaria also matter let me give you some examples:
1:if a person watch porn .it is like addiction . it is very difficult to get rid of it .if a person watches porn there is higher chance that he can,t stop he from zina like if person smoke it is very difficult for him to get rid of it .
2:if a person used to see females with lustful intent then there is higher chance that he can,t stop him from zina.
yes Allah can forgive zina it is his decision but why we don’t go to Jannat with flying colour rather than looking for that Allah will forgive our sins then we go to jannat .let,s suppose if he don,t forgive(it is his choice he may forgive he may not forgive) then what will happen ?
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I got you brother. Here I am not talking about myself but I am trying to know these things from all the aspects. As I also know such person whose past lives were not good but now they are better.So my point is saying like this is discouraging for people who committed zina. This life is full of chances till death. And in between this If someone is trying to mend his way we should not discourage him by saying like “It’s not sure you will be forgiven or not”. And the next thing is zina also depends. For prostitutes it’s a profession. Some people are actually bad with intentions and they use people. And then comes people who are with good intentions. Means people who are in love commited zina but they are loyal to each other and also they never see any other male/female with lustful stare and are willing to marry. There are also people who haven’t committed zina and also married but stare people with lust. According to me they are more horrible.
So again I am just trying to know these things from all the aspects. And Allah will judge accordingly but again I strongly believe if someone is trying to mend his way then Allah will surely bless him with his mercy no matter how the person was in his previous life .
(For the people who used to cheat it will depend If the person on the other side forgiven him/her or not
And If someone did murder then the murdered person is no more alive to forgive him even though he change his way of life).
I think only in these two cases we can’t say with surity he/she will be forgiven or not by Allah.
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@Zubair brother i am not pointing toward you.if you got that impression from my replay i am sorry for that.
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It’s absolutely alright brother. I also clarified the matter so that no misunderstanding take place.
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@UmerQureshi I have stated it. Can you please read through it.
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What i understand from 7:32 – 33 is that no act can be a sin unless it has resulted in any kind of injustice. Therefore no act of “sadde zaria” that may eventually lead to an injustice is a sin until an injustice is done to someone.
Fornication like any other sin is forgivable by repentance.
If someone fears God he would use his common sense not to do things that may result in harm to someone just like i stop at yellow light before it’s too late to prevent jumping a red light. In the court of law my excuse that it was too late to stop wont be accepted as I ignored the yellow light. Similarly, if someone makes an excuse that his mind in bed was not working for his crime, it won’t be accepted as he ignored all the precautions that led him to a state where he lost control over his mind and ended up committing the crime.
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Thank you for your explanation. My point was not about being accepted by court or not. Indeed fornication is a major sin(hidden or open). Though it is highly recommended to keep it hidden. My point is If someone did wrong acts in his life but later repented and his trying to mend his way then surely he/she will be forgiven by Allah. Sometimes realization, changes take time in a person’s life even after having knowledge.
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All sins including fornication and shirk are forgivable thru repentance. In case of human rights, one would need to indemnify damages in addition to repentance. Thats my understanding.
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Quran has mentioned law of Remorse and Repentance and made it very clear that as soon as one realizes his mistakes and repents, he will be forgiven, and will not be forgiven if he delays this on purpose till he sees death approaching; however nothing has been mentioned if someone performs remorse and repentance after some time but before his death i.e. somewhere in-between let’s say. In that case, one should keep asking for forgiveness and hope for Allah’s mercy on the day of judgement, but in this case, matter will finally be settled on the day of judgement (Qiyamah). You can refer to the following thread for more details:
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The third case you mentioned here is a kind of dissappointment for those who are trying or have realized later in their life or it took time for them to change.
In the first case Allah said he will surely forgive. In the second case Allah said he will not .So according to me the third case is indirectly related to the first case. As Allah said “as soon as one realizes”. Now realization can take time in a person’s life. And after having a true realization one must repent and keep trying till death.
Also , all these cases are related to major sins or minor?.
Allah said in quran(39:53):- Say, O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.”
Quran(39:54):- And return [in repentance] to your Lord and submit to Him before the punishment comes upon you; then you will not be helped.
From this I’ve understood that this life is full of chances for every human being. And one should nevel lose hope in Allah’s mercy and should always have a positive mindset that he’ll be forgiven. Negative mindset in Allah’s mercy can also make a person more inclinated towards Sinning and turning away from repenting and trying to be better. I strongly belive that one will be forgiven no matter what the time is (except those who deliberately denied the truth till death and those who start repenting when they see death is approaching them) .
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As soon as the person seeks forgiveness after realization, then it falls within the first case.
The third case deals with a situation where person postponed repentance despite realizing he did a mistake, but did eventually repent somewhere in the middle. In this scenario, it is only fair that his forgiveness should be based on his attitude and future deeds and to be decided on the day of judgement after consideration of his later deeds and overall behavior.
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That’s what I am saying that once someone mend his way of life and not repeat his mistake in future he/she will be forgiven. As far as I know the best repentance is not repeating it again.
Bdw All these cases are related to major or minor sins?.
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Fogiveness and repentance is required for major sins. If a person is able to abstain from major sins, then its reward is that his minor sins will be forgiven by the Merciful Lord otherwise all his major and minor sins will be recorded in the register of his deeds and he will have to give their account:
إِن تَجْتَنِبُواْ كَبَآئِرَ مَا تُنْهَوْنَ عَنْهُ نُكَفِّرْ عَنكُمْ سَيِّئَاتِكُمْ وَنُدْخِلْكُم مُّدْخَلاً كَرِيمًا (31:4)
If you abstain from the major sins of what is being prohibited to you, We shall forgive your minor sins and shall make you enter a place of honour. (4:31)
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Jazak Allah🙏🏻❤.
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