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  • Umer

    Moderator November 7, 2021 at 3:09 am

    According to Ghamidi Sahab, Khizar was an Angel and not a human being, he’s more inclined towards it being a dream of Prophet Moses (sws), in which he was shown how the worldly affairs are being run by God through his angels.

    Please see:

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    Please also refer to the video below from 15:24 to 18:50

  • Umer

    Moderator November 7, 2021 at 3:09 am

    These decisions are based on Allah’s collective wisdom, they do not give us a simple rule of thumb that every evil person must be elimininated by Allah before-hand:

    Please also refer to the video below from 29:20 to 30:32

  • Fakhruddin Ahmed

    Member November 7, 2021 at 3:13 am

    Right, but the worldly affairs was just for that incident or relevant today.

  • Fakhruddin Ahmed

    Member November 7, 2021 at 3:18 am

    There are more evils in the world today than ever but the same principle is not applied by Allah which he reveals in the Quran. So what message do this event conveys. Just a story. Without any real justification.

    • Umer

      Moderator November 7, 2021 at 3:34 am

      There was no principle involved per se. It was an illustration of a simple fact how God is not dissociated from this world and how he is aware of conditions of every human being in this world. God is not a Deistic entity. There are certain decisions being made by God behind the veil in running of this world based on his collective wisdom to ensure smooth running of ‘tests and trials’ scheme instituted in this world. Killing of every evil person is not a rule of thumb here, it is this scheme of ‘tests and trials‘ which takes precedence in this world.

  • Fakhruddin Ahmed

    Member November 7, 2021 at 3:36 am

    So what was the purpose to reveal this incident in the Quran.

    • Umer

      Moderator November 7, 2021 at 8:09 am

      “The referred incident is God’s way of teaching His prophet – Moses (sws) – some realities and requirements of faith in the Merciful, Wise, Omniscient and Omnipotent Creator. The incident has been mentioned in the Quran to teach the same lesson to the believers in the Prophet (sws).

      The referred incident teaches us that we – humans – cannot, generally, understand the wisdom of the happenings before us. Our failure to comprehend the wisdom, mercy and providence behind these happenings can easily lead us to think that some of the divine decisions are unjust.

      We see that most of us get depressed and lose heart and as a consequence abandon perseverance on the right path, which is often difficult to tread for it seems that evil people are favored and the pious and the good are denied in this world.

      Killing an infant and damaging a boat owned by orphans apparently seem cruel until we are told that they were actually intended to save some pious people of graver troubles. Similar is the case of the mending of the wall for people who had behaved cruelly to Moses (sws) and the wise man. It was actually for the benefit of someone else that the wall was mended.

      Just as these acts turn out to be the most benevolent and merciful acts when the wisdom working behind them is revealed, all the affairs in this universe would actually reveal profound wisdom and abundant mercy of the Almighty. It is only our lack of knowledge that we interpret some acts to be against our benefit. We should believe in the profound wisdom of God and trust in His love and mercy for us, even if the circumstances around us are extremely unfavorable. We must always remind ourselves that affairs of the world are run by the Just and the Merciful, even if at present we cannot fully understand the aspects of justice and mercy in most of the happenings around us”.

      (Tariq Mahmood Hashmi)

  • Fakhruddin Ahmed

    Member November 7, 2021 at 8:25 am

    So you mean that we should shut our sences and think what ever wrong is being done in this world is the Devine wisdom and we cannot understand it until the day if judgment. Please tell me what benefit the world got with people like hitler and Stalin or Bush every one was evil and destroyed the core of mankind for their own agenda. When Allah is all knowing and powerful these acts of atrocities should have been stopped when examples are provided in Quran then it also be implemented otherwise it is just a story without any wisdom.

    • Umer

      Moderator November 7, 2021 at 8:36 am

      I have already addressed this point in my response above and Ghamidi Sahab has also answered this in one of the videos I shared above. You may want to refer to those points again.

      To read more about scheme of tests and trials, please see:

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  • Fakhruddin Ahmed

    Member November 7, 2021 at 9:04 am

    Thanks for all the responses yet It creates more questions the answers ultimately only one justification provided by you for all the events is tests in this world with trials in hereafter.

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