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  • Is Bismillah The First Ayah?

    Umer updated 10 months, 2 weeks ago 4 Members · 14 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 4, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    Ghamidi sb writes followin in Al bayan
    یہ آیت سورۃ توبہ کے سوا قرآن مجید کی ہر سورہ کے شروع میں بالکل اُسی طرح آئی ہے، جس طرح یہاں ہے۔ لہٰذا یہ قرآن کی ایک آیت تو یقینا ہے اور اِس کی سورتوں کے شروع میں اِسی طرح نازل ہوئی اور اللہ تعالیٰ کے حکم سے لکھی گئی ہے،لیکن اپنے اِس محل میں سورہ ئفاتحہ سمیت کسی سورہ کی بھی آیت نہیں ہے،بلکہ ہر جگہ سورہ سے الگ اپنی ایک مستقل حیثیت رکھتی ہے۔ ’إقرأہ علی الناس‘ کا مفہوم اِس میں عربیت کی رو سے مقدر ہے، یعنی اللہ، رحمن و رحیم کے نام سے یہ قرآن لوگوں کو پڑھ کر سناؤ، اے پیغمبر چنانچہ اِس لحاظ سے دیکھیے تو اِس میں ’ب‘ گویا سند کے مفہوم میں ہے اور یہ قرآن مجید اور نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم سے متعلق تورات کی اُس پیشین گوئی کا ظہور ہے جس میں بتایا گیا ہے کہ آپ خدا کا کلام خود اُسی کے نام سے لوگوں کے سامنے پیش کریں گے۔

  • Abdullah AbdulRahman

    Member March 5, 2022 at 5:23 am

    This opinion, did we get it by ijma and tawatur (consensus) or is it based on akhbar e ahad or Ahadith?-because there is also Hanafi Shafi difference on it based on Ahadith.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 5, 2022 at 12:45 pm

    The recitiation of Quran in this manner has reached us through Ijma and tawattur. There is no difference of opinion in reciting bismillah before every surah except surah tauba.

    it is indeed quranic verse see surah Naml verse 30.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 5, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    Read this interesting tafsir of bismillah here

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor March 8, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    But through ijma and tawattur every single mushaf I have lists it as the first ayah. Isn’t this important?

    • Umer

      Moderator March 11, 2022 at 3:32 pm

      The difference mainly lies in status of this verse, whether it is a permanent part of Quran (i.e. part of each Surah separately) or it has an independent existence irrespective of Surahs, but its transmission with Quran has never been questioned. Some of the scholars regard the difference of opinion similar to the kind of difference of opinion among the leading scholars of recitation about some words and letters that may be proven in some recitations and not in others.

      According to Ghamidi Sahab, it is part of Quran (at the start of each Surah) but has an independent existence.

      Qazi Ayaz wrote:

      …”The Muslims are unanimously agreed that the Quran which is recited in all parts of the world and is written in the Mushaf that the Muslims have, that is contained between the two covers, from the first Surah “All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” to the last Surah, “Say: “I seek refuge with (Allah) the Lord of mankind”, is the Book of Allah and His Revelation that He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and that everything in it is true, and that anyone who deliberately takes away a single letter from it or changes one letter for another or adds a letter to it, that is not included in the Mushaf on which there is consensus, and there is consensus that it is not part of the Quran – the one who does any of these things deliberately is a disbeliever“.

      (Ash-Shifa bi Tareef Huqooq al-Mustafa, 2/304, 305)


      Please also read the following Article “Quran Transmission through The Ages“:

      Discussion 47625

  • Umer

    Moderator April 30, 2022 at 4:19 pm

    For comments of Ghamidi Sahab, please refer to the video below from 25:00 to 27:42

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor April 30, 2022 at 4:21 pm

      In my quran it is written as a part of the Surah with an ayah number in front of it- with no other بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم above it

    • Umer

      Moderator April 30, 2022 at 4:49 pm

      Bismillah being verse of each Surah is debatable and difference of opinion exists on this matter, but It is a part of Quran nevertheless, and has been placed at the start of each Surah (Except Surah Tauba) under instructions from Prophet Muhammad (SWS).

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor April 30, 2022 at 4:50 pm

      It is only given an ayah marking on the fatiha

    • Umer

      Moderator April 30, 2022 at 4:52 pm

      This is technically the same difference, whether it is part of Fateha, part of other surahs as well or has an independent existence with each Surah.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor April 30, 2022 at 4:52 pm

      My point is that there seems to be an ijma that it IS a part of the Fatiha and not other surahs at least in written qurans

    • Umer

      Moderator April 30, 2022 at 4:55 pm

      No, there is no such Ijma.

  • Umer

    Moderator July 21, 2022 at 10:14 pm

    Plese also refer to the video below from 32:20 to 37:31

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