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  • How Can We Reconcile Punishment Of The Grave Hadiths With The Quran?

    Posted by Samama Fahim on November 6, 2022 at 9:15 am

    If the punishment of the grave is not given in this earthly pit, what can we make of the following excerpts from the hadiths?

    Jab janaazaa taiyaar kar ke rakh diyaa jaataa hai aur log ise apne kandho par utha lete hain toh agar vo nek ho toh kehta hai: mujhe jaldi aage le chalo aur agar vo nek naa ho toh vo apne ghar valo se kehta hai: afsos! tum mujhe kahan le jaa rahe ho? Insano ke alaava is ki aavaaz ko har cheez sunti hai. Agar insaan ise sun len toh behosh hojayen. (

    Ap (SAW) ne apna sar uthaya aur farmaayaa: “Allah se qabar ke azaab ki amaan maango.” Ap (SAW) ne ye 2, 3 baar farmaayaa. Jareer ki rivaayat mein yahaan ye izaafaa hai: “Jab log vaapas jaate hain to maiyyat in ke qadmo ki aahat sunti hai, jab ke is se ye puchaa jaa rahaa hotaa hai: “Aye falaan teraa rab kon hai? Toh vo kehta hai: Meraa Rab Allah hai….” … Phir kaafir aur iski maut ka zikar kiyaa aur farmaayaa: “Iski rooh iske jism mein lautaai jaati hai aur vo iske paas aate hain aur ise bithaate haina aur is se puchte hain…” (

    In view of these hadiths, It looks like the punishment is given here in this wordly grave since:

    (1) All creation save humans (also jinns, in another text) can hear the roaring of the person being punished.

    (2) Also the person in the grave can hear the boot-steps of the attendants walking away from him shows that the punishment is given here on earth.

    Moreover, the rooh being returned to the body here on earth before the day of Judgement contradicts the Quran which says:

    “It is Allāh Who takes away the souls (Wafat) at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for people who think deeply.” (39:42)

    So Allah (SWT) keeps the souls for which He has ordained death, and returns others for which He has not ordained death to these earthly bodies. But this is for those who are alive.

    How can we reconcile such hadiths with the Quran?

    Samama Fahim replied 3 months, 1 week ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
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  • How Can We Reconcile Punishment Of The Grave Hadiths With The Quran?

    Samama Fahim updated 3 months, 1 week ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 6, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    Those on whom Hujjah is completed, receive their reward and punishment soon after death. In the time of the prophet since the results and declared, so we get such news as you mentioned above. About Pharaoh, it is told in the Quran that he and his followers are receiving punishment in their after-death life.

    Thus God saved him from the evil of his schemes [136] but the people of the Pharaoh were surrounded by an evil torment [after this:]

    the fire of Hell before which they are brought day and night [138] and the Day the Hereafter arrives, it will be ordered: “Admit the companions of the Pharaoh into the worst torment.” (40: 45-46)

    But the ordinary people whose matter does not reach the conclusion of Itmam ul Hujjah, they are made sleep till they rose to life in the Day of Judgement. (Kindly get to know the concept of Itmam ul Hujjah)

    And [similarly, one day] the trumpet will be sounded; then suddenly they will come out of the graves one after the other and walk towards their Lord!

    [At that time,] they will say: “Our wretchedness! Who raised us from our graves?” This is the same thing which your Lord had promised you and [see that] the messengers had stated the absolute truth. (36: 50-51)

  • Samama Fahim

    Member November 7, 2022 at 6:17 am

    My question was how can we reconcile these Hadiths which seem to place the punishment of the grave in this earthly pit with the Qur’an? How can we reconcile that part in the Hadith which talks about the returning of the soul to the body in this earthly pit with the Qur’an?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 7, 2022 at 8:56 am

    As mentioned above those on whom Hujjah is complete these narration apparently belong to them who will be aware of their reward and punishment

  • Umer

    Moderator November 7, 2022 at 11:03 pm

    There is no apparent contradiction with Quran 39:42. This specific verse is talking about Allah’s control in all such matters and that life and death is in power of Allah. Keeping a soul does not necessarily entail that it is kept in the skies, it can be kept anywhere (whether it be this earth or some place else as far as the linguistics of the verse are concerned). Quran also clarifies it in 36:50-51 that they will be raised from their graves on the day of judgement and that they will be given new bodies as per Quran 56:61.

    After research on Ahadith relating to punishment inside grave, Ghamidi Sahab is of view that Barzakh is a place in this earth which has an intangible existence and will become visible on the day of judgement. Same is the case with our new bodies which are actually given to us after our death inside the barzakh and they will also become visible on the day of judgement. It is not the same place as our physical grave but some other place on the earth, invisible to us at the moment. Hadith uses the reference to physical graves where we are burried as a passing reference for our understanding, since this is the only place which we humans can see and are aware of at the moment and the only place where we can relate our dead ones with.

    Please refer to the video below from 34:35 to 40:51

  • Umer

    Moderator November 7, 2022 at 11:03 pm

    Please also refer to the video below from 32:01 to 33:11

  • Samama Fahim

    Member November 8, 2022 at 10:16 am

    From the Qur’an it is clear that we don’t need a body to be in the dreaming state, only the soul, as Allah takes away our souls during sleep.

    Also Allah Has not yet reconstructed the new bodies of dead people. In fact, the Quran (75:3,4) says: “Does man think that We will not reassemble his bones? Yes indeed; We are Able to reconstruct his fingertips.” So the bodies that we can see will be reconstructed only on Qiyaamah.

    It is possible that the soul will be transferred from the Barzakhi bodies to the reconstructed bodies on Qiyaamah.

    Does the Qur’an emphasize somewhere that this Barzakhi state is situated here on earth? If we don’t need bodies to get into the dreaming state, we don’t have to have a Barzakhi body.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 9, 2022 at 4:20 am

    Since people will come to life with their bodies on this earth on the day of judgement, so it is obvious that their Barzakhi life is here. We may have no need to have a body in our Barzakhi life, but as per the narration, the soul returns to a body, which suggests that it is a barzakhi body.

    • Samama Fahim

      Member November 9, 2022 at 8:24 am

      It is also possible that the new bodies will be reconstructed on Qiyaamah and the souls are returned to them from above? Can we deny this on the basis of Qur’an alone?

      Even if this Barzakhi state is here on earth, it is inaccessible to the people alive on earth and vice versa. This should be because being dead and being asleep have at least this in common: the person who is dead and the person who is asleep both are unaware of their earthly surroundings.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 10, 2022 at 2:54 am

    Quran does not give the details about it when those bodies will be given. It is based on the narration which is in conformity with the description of the Quranic verse. You may confine to the Quranic description and stay on the point that there is no definite answer to the question that when those bodies will be given.

  • Samama Fahim

    Member November 10, 2022 at 2:08 pm

    From the Bukhari hadith we can see that all creation will be reconstructed from ajb-uz-zanb on the day of Qiyaamah.

    Since ajb-uz-zanb is normal visible matter, we should conclude that the bodies of Qiyaamah are not yet created, but will be created on Qiyaamah, and this will be done using normal matter. What can we make of these hadiths?

  • Samama Fahim

    Member February 27, 2023 at 5:13 am

    Jazakallahu Khayran

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