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  • Who Made God?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 15, 2022 at 6:48 pm

    From what we know, God is not a creation hence He does not require a creator.

  • Ali Hamza

    Member December 15, 2022 at 6:49 pm

    How you know that he is not a creation?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 15, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    The following note by Amin Ahasan Islahi sahab on Quran 112:1 will help clarify:


    Linguists clearly differentiate between اَحَد (Aḥad) and وَاحِد (Wāḥid). اَحَد (Aḥad) means someone in whose being none can be associated, andوَاحِد (Wāḥid) means someone in whose attributes none can be associated. Probably this is the reason why the word اَحَد (Aḥad) has never been used as an attribute other than that of God. This attribute also necessitates that He have no kin or relations, and at the same time it warrants that He be beyond and peerless in every sense. It also follows from this that God is uncreated and has always existed, and that everything else has been created and brought into existence. Naturally, someone who is the foremost out of His own accord should always exist because if at one time He never was, then it cannot be said of Him that He always existed. Summing up the discussion, two things must necessarily be accepted: Firstly, God has always existed, and secondly, everything except Him is His creation. These are the two necessary outcomes of His uniqueness and to deny both of these would be against sense and reason. In other words, if it is said that God is اَحَدٌ, then this means that He has always existed and He is the Creator of everything.

    (Amin Ahasan Islahi, Tadabbur-i Quran, vol. 9, 650)

  • Ali Hamza

    Member December 15, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    Why i should give qualities of ahad and wahid to God …this is your wish to give these qualities to higher deity.

    And how attaching these qualities is based on sense and reason?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 15, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    If you believe in the Quran to be the word of God then the answer is obvious – because God Himself has claimed these attributes. If that is not the case then an uncreated God is the only logical explanation of this universe and everything that exists within it.

    Contingent existence has to have a prior cause. Contingent existence is that which exists but it did not have to. Or it could have existed in a different manner. For example, you and I did not have to exist but we do, so we are contingent. Similarly, this universe did not have to exist, or at least not with the same set of physical laws that we find in this universe. Everything we see around us, therefore, exists contingently. To sum it up, this universe and everything within it can only be explained in terms of something prior, and is therefore contingent.

    If, however, we believe that everything that really exists is dependent upon some prior existence then nothing would ever exist. An infinite number of objects in the causal chain would prevent any existence at all because infinity has no existence in reality.

    Since we know that there is existence, it implies that something must necessarily exist – a cause that explains all existence. A necessary existence, as opposed to a contingent existence, is that which has always existed without a prior cause. Without postulating such an existence, any investigation into what exists is irrational because in that case no existence can be justified. This necessary existence is precisely what God claims to be in Quran 112:1. Without believing this to be true, it is not possible to believe in our own existence, the existence of our universe, the laws of nature, the scientific inquiry, or any other existence at all.

  • Ali Hamza

    Member December 15, 2022 at 9:16 pm

    So as we can’t give any explanation of the existence without attributing it to the first cause so to fulfill this gap we created a phenomenon and that is God…

    Isn’t it??

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 15, 2022 at 9:38 pm

    Not at all. Necessary existence is a deductive argument without which even the concept of gap does not make any sense. In fact, as explained above, intellect, knowledge, science, reason, rationality – no existence at all can be justified without believing in the most fundamental necessary existence. This is, however, just a logical conclusion. Existence of God is established precisely in the same manner as we establish any other facts. For details, please see:

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