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Celebrating Birthdays
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Birthday celebrate krne k bary ma Janab Javed Ahmad Ghamidi ka kehna ha k celebrate ki ja sakti hai lakin maine jahan bhi parha ha aur sunna ha sb keh rhy hain bible ma record ha ye pagans ka event ha unhon ny apne god ki birthday celebrate ki thi kya ye such hai? agr aisa hai tu ye kaisy sirf cultural cheez hogi? kya aik musalman ye kr skta hai? aur agr ap kahain origin ye he tha lakin ab aisa nai ha tu celebrate kr skte hain lakin origin ye he tha tu kya aisa krna theek hoga kya hum shirk ma shamil horhy hn kiun k origin ye tha
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Celebrating Birthdays
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It is not clear whether the actual origin of celebrating birthdays is a pagan practice. The most that can be said is that we don’t have any recorded history of birthday celebrations prior to that. Even if the actual origin of the practice is pagan, today it does not symbolize paganism or polytheism in any manner and therefore there is no prohibition for it in Islam.
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Sir ap theek keh rhy hain lakin maine internet pe jitna bhi search kiya ha ye he results samny arahy hain k pagans practice ha birthday ko celebrate krna phir ap kis base pe keh rhy hain k ye record thel nahi hai kindly wazahat kr dijye?
dosri bat jo ap ne kahi ye pagan practice ho bhi lakin ab is ma aisa kuch nai ha tu phir baki tamam scholars isko mana kiun krte hain k origin tu wahi tha ap us cheez ko represent kr rhy hn wo apne god ki worship aisy krty thy hum tariqa alag ikhtiyar kr rhy bs. Tu kya aisa krna thek hoga kya ye cheez humain un se jorti ha? kiun k Christians scholars bhi divide hn k birthday celebration thk ha ya nai kiun k ye pagan practice ha phir kya wo b ghalat ha
wazahat kar dijye is sb ki shukria
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aur mukhtalif ulma ka kehna ha k is tarh cake aur us pe candles lgana phir blow krna ye sb paganism ko symbolize krta hai unk god ny aisy cake celebrate kya tha. ye bible ma record majood ha phir isko kaisy deny kr sakte hn hum kindly ap mazeed wazahat kr dijye.
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first celebrated by pharaoh considered himself as god the birth of god. Then later celebrated for many god and goddess
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As explained above, all it shows is that we don’t have any recorded history of celebrating birthdays before paganism. That does not necessarily mean that birthdays were never celebrated.
Pagans also used to perform animal sacrifices and we know that it is also an established practice of Prophets of God. Just because pagans used to celebrate birthdays does not make it haram either.
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lakin sir uper maine reference share kya waha pehle birthdays ka record nai kiun k calendars nahi thy jb calendars bne tu sb sy pehle pagans sy b pehle pharaoh jo khud ko god samjhta tha us ny celebrate ki jo bible ma record majod ha isko hum kaisy justify krain gy
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It is not accurate to say that ancient human beings did not have calendars. From what we know, human beings always were able to keep track of time with respect to lunar and solar years. Only the recorded history of formal calendars goes back to the Bronze Age.
Please see:
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sir phir calendar k baad ki history agr majod ha k kis ny birthday celebrate ki tu is sy pehle ki kiun nahi agr celebrate ki gai hoti tu shaid uska bhi record hota. Kiu iska record nai calendar se pehle ka kya uski koe khas waja hai? aur uper apne aik bt kahi k animal sacrifice krte thy pagans bi tu prophets b krte thy lakin sir prophets tu jb sy dunya ha tb se arhy hn pagans se pehle b sacrifice kr rhy animals jb k shaid pagans ny is bech animal sacrifice kye is lye hum animal sacrifice krne pe ghalat nai samjhte aur sth ye ALLAH ka apna hukam ha lakin birthday k bry ma aisa nahi ha
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We have a very small part of history of the mankind in any recorded form.
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Jee theek ha aur jo animal sacrifice se mutaliq apne kaha us k bary ma apka kya point of view ha sacrifice tu hazrat Adam A.S se horha jb k pagans ny baad ma sacrifice kya jb k birthday ma aisa nai ha
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That does not make any difference.
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sir shaid ma apna sawal sahi tarh rkh nahi pai difference hai. Ma pochna chah rhe hn pagans sacrifice krte thy aur prophets bhi lakin us ma ye nahi kaha ja skta prophet jo sacrifice krte hain wo resemblance rkhta ha ya shamil hota ya identify ya represent krta ha pagan rituals ko kiun k prophets jb sy duniya bani ha ALLAH k hukam se animals ko sacrifice kr rhy hain jb k pagans ny ye ritual baad ma start kya lakin birthdays k mutaliq islam aisa kuch nahi milta jb k history jahan tk humain pta ha wo represent krti ha pagans k ritual ko aur us sy b pehle paraoh god jo bible ma mention ha is base pe scholars ka kehna ha ye cheez usko represent krti hai is trh candles cake ye celebration. Tu kya islam ma iska zikr is lye ni k tb aisa mamla samne nahi aya ya ye zahir tha ye sb ghalat cheezain hn kya aisa krna us ritual ko represent krna nai hoga beshak us ma aisa koe ghalat element nahi lakin aisa ritual tu unka tha jis base pe baki scholars b fatwa dete hain
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For something to be prohibited in Islam it has to have at least one of the following conditions:
a) it has an aspect of polytheism
b) it has an aspect of immorality
c) it was clearly prohibited in in the sources of Islam
Birthday celebration does not meet any of these conditions. The most that can be said about birthdays is that it was one of the pagan rituals. That does not make it prohibited in Islam. Even if the practice originated with pagans, which is not even an established fact, the celebration still has nothing to do with paganism today. Birthdays are celebrated by people of different religions and cultures and no one thinks that by celebrating birthdays someone is symbolizing polytheism.
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The Muslims have no festivals apart from
Eid al-Fitr andEid al-Adha, because of the hadith narrated from Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to Madinah and the people had two days when they would play and have fun. He said, ‘What are these two days?’ They said, ‘We used to play and have fun on these days during the Jahiliyyah. The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, ‘Allah has given you something better than them, the day of Ad-ha and the day of Fitr.’” (Sunan Abi Dawud, 1134)Kya ap is hadees ka status bta sakte hain aur ye bhi k Janab Javed Ahmad ghamidi is ko kis tarh explain krte hain
kiun k is ma kahain nai likha sirf religious festivals
janab Javed ahmad ghamidi ki YouTube lecture videos k nechy logon ny ye bhi pocha ha is hadees k mutaliq
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Jee sir ye video maine dekhi ha. uper share ki gai hadees k alfaaz se aisy lgta ha ye tafreeh aur khailne se mutaliq hy aur wo bhi wo din jo jahillyaah ma manate thy like non muslims.
tu kya is se murad ye bhi li ja sakti ha is ka mtlb tafreeh se hai aur ye hadees kis pasmanzar ma kahi gai kiun yaha bazahar tu deen se mutaliq sirf ue tehwar hone k bry ma nahi btya gya kya ap hadees ka pasmanzar bhi bta skte hain
shukria
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kiun k scholars ye bhi kehte hain eid ka mtlb ha har saal repeat hona har saal k saal occasionally manana tu wo eids 2 he hain sirf bki eids ko Prophet Muhammad S.A.W ne cancel kr dya
new years, birthdays ya aisy tamam events jo annually mansye jaty wo sb mana hain
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Islam is not a fascist ideology where things are made halal and haram on a whim. It’s not a sadist ideology either where people are discouraged to be happy. Everything in Islam has a rational explanation, originally stems from the natural human disposition (fitrah), and finds its source in the Quran and the Sunnah. Hadith narrations do not make anything halal and haram on their own. They are narrated by people and are required to be understood in the context of the sources of Islam.
With that, I have shared with you above the conditions for something to be prohibited in Islam. Still, if you find another opinion better then there is no harm in adopting it.
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sir ma Janab javed ahmad ghamidi ka nokta nazar samjhna chahti hn birthdays celebrate krne ko bura nahi samjhti lakin jo tankeed ki jati hy usko bhi samjhna zarori hy.
kya eid ka mtlb ye nahi jo bayan kya yah hadees sahih nahi. yah is k pas manzar se ye bt waziya hoti k ye sirf mazhabi tehwar se mutaliq hy quran ma celebrate krne krna se mutaliq bi koe aisi bt nahi is lye kuch mushkil paish arhe hy
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kiun k bat sirf birthdays ki nahi hai phir har annually manaya jane wala occasion mana hoga lakin maska ye hai hadees ma specifically religious festivals ka nahi kaha gya aur quran ma is k manane aur na manane dono k bry ma kuch nahi kaha gya
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Everything has been explained above. Please go through my previous responses again.
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Jee sir maine parha hai apke pechle jawabat ko
lakin ma kuch aur pochna chah rhe hn jis ki wazahat uper nai hovi
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Sir @UmerQureshi
kya ap wazahat kar sakte hain
Quran main is k mutaliq koe hukam nahi ha lakin hadees ma bayan kya gya ha 2 eids k bry ma lakin ye kaisy samjha jay ga k 2 eids sy murad bs religious festivals hn cultural nahi. aur Hadees ka status kya hai
shaid ma apna sawal bayan nahi kr paa rhe maine sari discussion parhi hai lakin isko kaisy samjhain gy
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Aapka sawal samajh aagaya hai aur faisal sahab nai kafi tafseel sai bataya bh hai, laikin aap shayad hamaray ahadees ko samajhnay kai asool sai waqif nhi, huma hadees sai koe bh mustaqil-biz-zat hukam akahz nhi kartay aur ahadees kai mudda ko samajhnay kai liya Quran aur Sunnat ko daikhtay hain, aur quran aur sunnat kai framework main rakh kar hadees samjhtay hain.
(Tafseel kai liya daikhain: Discussion 66135 • Reply 66162)
Sunnat mai Nabi (sws) nai do eidain deeni tehwar kai tor par jaari ki hain aur yai baat hamain ijma aur tawatur sai muntaqil hue hai, jab sunnat sai yai baat muntaqil hoo gaye hai toh is hadees ko isi sunnat ki roshni main samjha jayega kai Yahan pai bh Nabi (sws) nai deeni tehwar kai tor pai hi eidon ka zikar kiya hoga. Is sai baqi saqafti tehwar aap sai aap haram nhi hojatay.
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