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  • Is Every Conscious Sin A Shirk?

    Posted by Mohammad Ali Soomro on January 21, 2023 at 12:43 pm

    hello there Assalaam u alaykum there is a clip of dr.israr Ahmad

    here the way he says that “apne nafs ke hukum ko aage rakha, aur Allah ke hukum ko peeche” so it would become a shirk.

    so my question was that by this token, wouldn’t every sin become a sort of shirk? because in each and every sin, the command of Allah, is superseded by desire or pressure from within a person himself or the people around. so can you explain if it’s the case like this? and if it is then why wasn’t it clearly conveyed in teachings of Prophet that every sin is a shirk?

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 5 days, 17 hours ago 2 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Is Every Conscious Sin A Shirk?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 23, 2023 at 12:34 am

    There can be multiple angles to see a problem. Yes, through this angle this is prefereing one’s own self or one’s own desire to God. This has been mentioned in the Quran in principle: see the verse: 25: 43

    أَرَأَيْتَ مَنِ اتَّخَذَ إِلَٰهَهُ هَوَاهُ أَفَأَنتَ تَكُونُ عَلَيْهِ وَكِيلًا

    The word Hawa, is used in the Quran in many places to tell how certain wishes or desires stood against God and His commands.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 23, 2023 at 11:16 pm

      @Irfan76 sir so wouldn’t every sin become a shirk then? because in every sin big or small, a person does a disobedience of God. so what is the difference remaining like in an ayat Allah says that Allah does not forgive shirk but lesser than that for whomever He wills. so where is that lesser form?

      or the ayah you wrote about is when a person becomes a rebel of God to fulfill his wishes? which is like akin to Istikbaar. so if someone does sins but not out of Istikbaar, then they are not technically a slave a worshipper of their desire. in other words they haven’t made a conscious mind that I’ll fulfill what my desire says and what Allah says is of no priority.

      if someone did behave like this then this example is of the person (who made his desire his god, which he can’t say no to. or in other words, for him nothing is above his desire). so in the ayah above its talking about that person who’s become rebellious of Allah to keep his false god (desire) high

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 24, 2023 at 12:23 am

    Not every sin is that shirk which is unforgivable. The shirk is associating partners as gods with God. Sins are relatively called shirk.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 24, 2023 at 12:35 am

      @Irfan76 sir i couldn’t understand this point. do you mean like linguistically and the real meaning of term, in this sense?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 24, 2023 at 12:37 am

    The real meaning of shirk is associating partners with God. That is unforgivable.

    Not all sins fall into this definition.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 24, 2023 at 12:38 am

      @Irfan76 sir so you meant to say that every sin is Shirk but not every shirk is unforgivable, right?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 24, 2023 at 12:40 am

    Not every sin is shirk in the absolute meaning of the word Shirk. However Evey sin has an element of shirk that one preferred ones desire to God. This is a relative shirk not actual shirk.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 24, 2023 at 12:48 am

      @Irfan76 okay sir so like even the minor of the sins can be said to have element of shirk, linguistically. but the real term of shirk only applies to what is normally said to be shirk, right sir?

      every one of us is like a Mushrik in linguistic sense but not the term Shirk that is termed in Quran, etc right?

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 24, 2023 at 1:08 am

      @Irfan76 okay sir so if we someone says like the normal person says that shirk is unforgivable but he does not think about linguistic terms. he just simply says what Quran says. that shirk is unforgivable, and other sins are sins which are forgivable and the definition of shirk, he gives that which we normally say is shirk, not in actual terms. so it would be right? i mean only the difference is of terms but the result of the inference is same.

      secondly sir, the christians are not called Mushrik because of Tawheed but their trinity creed is actually a full on shirk in it’s reality but they do taweel that’s why they aren’t called Mushrik. but the sins that normally not said to be shirk, are in and of itself not true shirk right? unlike trinity creed.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 24, 2023 at 12:57 am

    Yes. The Quran is so cautious that it never used thr term Mushrik to the people of book especially to the Christians although it tells that their doctrine of trinity is shirk. But since it was a shirk with Taweel so they were not called Mushrik. You can see how God behaves. He does not follow the logistic meanings or inferences.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member January 24, 2023 at 1:15 am

      @Irfan76 okay sir so if we someone says like the normal person says that shirk is unforgivable but he does not think about linguistic terms. he just simply says what Quran says. that shirk is unforgivable, and other sins are sins which are forgivable and the definition of shirk, he gives that which we normally say is shirk, not in actual terms. so it would be right? i mean only the difference is of terms but the result of the inference is same.

      secondly sir, the christians are not called Mushrik because of Tawheed but their trinity creed is actually a full on shirk in it’s reality but they do taweel that’s why they aren’t called Mushrik. but the sins that normally not said to be shirk, are in and of itself not true shirk right? unlike trinity creed. which is actually a full shirk

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 25, 2023 at 11:39 pm

    Yes, Shirk as a term is used for the meaning I cited above. The rest is inference or extension, which is not an outright or blatant shirk, which is actually unforgivable.

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