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  • Criticism On Nation State Concept Of Ghamidi Sahab

    Posted by Ali Hamza on March 12, 2023 at 8:28 am

    Dr Sarosh Alamgir made criticism on ghamidi Shb’s concept of Nation state and raised some logical questions…

    Did Ghamidi shb or any of his pupil replied to that ..

    I’m giving the link of critique

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 2 weeks, 5 days ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Criticism On Nation State Concept Of Ghamidi Sahab

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad updated 2 weeks, 5 days ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 12, 2023 at 8:53 am

    Can you specify the objections?

    I watched his two videos but find his talk is quite confusing and irrelevant, his actual objection is not clear. if you specify what you need to have a response for, it would be easy.

    If it is about the information of the process of making of the nation states, it is not the problem. The point of Ghamidi saheb is what is actually there in the name of nation-states and we have to deal with them as such. Ghamidi saheb never said that the boundaries are static or unchangeable, it is not his concern, he calls these boundaries legitimate.

  • Ali Hamza

    Member March 12, 2023 at 10:20 am

    What I understood…he said that if religion should not be adopted at state level based on the premise that it would be unfair to minorities of that state then if we apply this principle at all matters then the result will be something like absurdism makes the state unable to decide anything because all the laws, political structures since all these matters are subject to opinions and ideologies.

    Secondly he gave examples of many modern countries who had their official religion like USA England etc

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 13, 2023 at 4:05 am

    Religious laws deal only with Muslims and no scholar ever said that the religious law of shariah can be applied to the non-Muslims too. So even if Islam is adopted as a state religion, it will not be applied to non-Muslims.

    Public law has to be secular in nature, no other foundation can be adopted for it, except that a community demands to use its religious law in their public matters too and it may not affect the other party when involved.

    Secondly, nation-states are not created by Muslims. They were imposed by the world order. A nation can deny accepting it, but it has to declare it first and then face the consequences too. It is not fair to claim to be a nation-state and a religious state at the same time. Since the state is not acquired by the Muslims only, and it was created on the principle of the nation-state, therefore legally and ethically Muslims have no greater claim on its ownership than that of non-Musims. If some country is conquered by the Muslims only, as is the case with the Taliban in Afghanistan, it is their right to impose their agenda.

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