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  • Forbidden Acts In Jannah

    Posted by Saad Aamir on May 11, 2023 at 6:26 am

    My question is regarding oral/anal sex. They are haram on the basis that they are filthy/impure and hence against human fitrah. But if there is going be no filth in Jannah and everyone will be purified then will such haram acts will become halal? Or will Allah purify us and remove such desires from us?

    Thank you.

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  • Forbidden Acts In Jannah

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  • Umer

    Moderator May 15, 2023 at 2:18 am

    Regarding matters of the unseen world which is yet to be created, we cannot say anything with certainty unless we have something explicit mentioned in the Quran. We have been given very limited knowledge about its content and its mechanism based on our limited view of this world, that is why it is known as ‘amoor-e-mutashabihaat. However we can try to infer certain results based on some principles mentioned in Quran.

    Jannah is an abode for the people who will reach there after achieving Tazkiya of body and soul. This means that the same person knows the value of Tohid and value of Tazkiya. How can then he/she, who proved himself/herself to be a pure soul and passed the test, can ever feel any impure feelings/thoughts, especially after seeing God with His/Her own eyes and after witnessing Jannah with His/Her own eyes. In Jannah, that level of purity would reach its apex w.r.t every emotion and every thought. Therefore, saying that a person could wish for those acts which were by nature filthy, seems illogical.

    It is mentioned in several places in the Quran that people in Jannah will get whatever they wish (See: Quran 16:31, 25:16, 39:34, 42:22, 41:31, 50:35), but it comes with a logical caveat that this cannot include things which are inherently Haram becasue of some inherent moral problem (e.g. polytheism, lying, deceit Anal/oral sex, asking to have a person of Hell in Jannah etc.) because neither can such a person would ever wish for something impure nor such wish could be granted (if ever wished). As for the things which are Haram because of certain ‘illat‘ which can be eliminated completely, that thing can be considered permissible after eradication of that ‘illat‘. For example, wine will be there but without any element of intoxication (See: Quran 37:47, 52:23). Similarly, Gold (See: Quran 18:31), Silk etc. would be permissible for dwellers of Jannah because of removal of arrogance from their ‘Nafs‘ in its complete sense.

    • Saad Aamir

      Member May 15, 2023 at 4:46 am

      Your first two paragraphs are a satisfying answer but I do have a few issues especially with the third paragraph:

      1. You say that haram things can be made halal like wine if the illat is removed but if an individual argues that is also the case with certain acts of sex (because the argument is that there is impurity involved in these acts so that is why they are haram) then how do we argue against? That if filth and impurity (like human waste) will no longer exist in Jannah then there is no filth in oral/anal sex. What’s the argument here to show that wine will be purified but everything else won’t be if an individual does argue this?

      2. If at highest Tazkiya a person may not desire for haram things then why would someone desire for wine either? Allah calls it “work of Shaytan” (5:90), a Muslim would dislike Shaytan’s work in every case yet Allah goes through the effort of purifying it and allowing it? Also I think there are plenty of Muslims that can live in Jannah without wine but Allah is still promising it and giving it to us so why not for other haram things?

      3. Ghamidi Sahab argued in his video (1:26 onwards that when people become rebellious, Allah said that He will give them all that they desire (like e.g wine) so they may give up their rebelliousness. Issue is that if we argue that certain haram things will never be purified or given in Jannah, wouldn’t people in this life will become rebellious for these things? Like is it safer to just say to everyone that “You will have whatever you want and if there is any issue (of certain things not allowed in Jannah), Allah will resolve it later when we get there”?.

  • Umer

    Moderator May 17, 2023 at 12:51 am

    1.) Acts like oral/Anal sex include not only impurity of body but also impurity of mind. Even if the physical impurity is removed somehow, the latter form of impurity would still be there which cannot be removed. (Please see for details: Discussion 52205 • Reply 52215).

    2.) Since the ‘illah‘ of prohibition was removed in this case which was the sole reason it was declared Haram in the first place, so it can be inferred that other Haram things for which ‘illah‘ of their prohibition can be removed, would be available for dwellers of Jannah. But for items where such removal is not possible and are prohibited solely on the basis of their existence because of certain moral issue which cannot be removed, will not be available for the dwellers of Jannah.

    Things that dwellers of Jannah will want is a separate issue for which I mentioned the point of Tazkiya, and things that will be made availabe to them is a separate point for which other arguments were presented in the light of some indirect references available in Quran.

    3.) The point is that things for which people get rebellious in this world are mainly wealth, land (kingdom, power etc) and women, and the reason for such rebelliousness is the scarcity of resources i.e. material, financial, physical, existential etc. When all such constraints are removed in the hereafter, these things would be easily accessible to the dwellers of Jannah. Haram things are not being made halal here, Halal things and means to achieve those things will be made excessively abundant and easily accessible for each and every one of the dwellers of Jannah.

    • Saad Aamir

      Member May 17, 2023 at 4:35 am

      The issues has been resolved. Thank you very much.

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