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  • Nature Of Magic Performed By The Magicians In Pharoah'S Court

    Posted by Samama Fahim on July 16, 2023 at 1:52 pm

    Was the magic performed by the magicians in the court of Pharoah as a challenge to Musa (AS) just a sleight-of-the-hand type magic or was it something that involved the use of Jinns? If it was the latter, what evidence do we have to specifically understand it as such? Ropes twisting could just be an optical illusion.

    Umer replied 1 year, 4 months ago 2 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Nature Of Magic Performed By The Magicians In Pharoah'S Court

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  • Umer

    Moderator July 17, 2023 at 9:54 am

    According to the language used in Quran 7:115-117, it appears that the kind of magic used by those magicians was an optical illusion of great proportions (belonging to the domain of Nafsi ulum).

    Please refer to the video below from 11:09 to 20:21

    https://www.youtube.com/live/LUbg3QpPfRM?feature=share&t=669

    • Samama Fahim

      Member July 17, 2023 at 4:22 pm

      What is meant by nafsi uloom? Is it psychology? There is something in Psychology called Suggestibility. But there are not many people suggestible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestibility) and yet the people in the court all thought the ropes were twisting.

      Do you mean it involved the use of the Jinns?

    • Umer

      Moderator July 22, 2023 at 7:34 am

      I do not think suggestibility is the right term for it. Nafsi ulum use full potential of the inner-self as opposed to the material existence. The same which is at times used by sufis in their experiences (at a much lower level) and its epitome can be seen in the incident of the man who brought the throne of Queen Bilqees to the court of Prophet Suleman hundreds of miles away in a matter of nano-seconds.

      Usually they are divided in three categories:

      – the first category is Magic (optical illusions)

      – the second category is the kind of knowledge taught by Harut and Marut and by the person who brought throne of Queen Bilqees

      – The third category involves use of Jinns.

      From Quran, the language used to describe the act of Magicians in Pharoah’s court indicate that it was more of an optical illusion (as explained in the video shared above) than an act involving use of Jinns.

      Details on Nafsi Ulum:

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      For short comments, Please also refer to the video below from 31:42 to 35:34

      https://youtu.be/ugIjFhS8MBM?t=1902

    • Samama Fahim

      Member July 22, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      Do you mean the magic described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(illusion)?

    • Umer

      Moderator July 24, 2023 at 7:50 am

      Yes, something of this genre but the mechanics between these two may differ

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