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  • How Can Punishment After Itmam-eHujjah Be A Proof Out Of Islamic Circles

    Posted by Abdullah AbdulRahman on March 8, 2024 at 11:38 am

    Assalamu Alaikum

    We muslims who are standing in the parameters of Quran believe, or those who accept Farahi school of thought, that people killed by the hands of Sahaba were punished the same way as God Himself punished Noah’s A.S nation. It’s a law of God. But for people standing outside the Quran and don’t believe Islam to be true, how would one explain to them because for that proof you one have to believe in the Quran. But for non-Muslims without starting argument from the Quran but logically that they deserved the punishment? Because even if there is a law for people of Israel that if they are not righteous then they will get punishment right in this world, but on that basis we don’t justify Hitler’s actions and on a worldly level he did wrong, but that was the law of God for peope of Israel, as there are laws of nature in this world. So people killed or threatened to be killed by the hands of Sahaba, how would that be explained logically standing outside the parameters of Quran?

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 2 weeks, 3 days ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • How Can Punishment After Itmam-eHujjah Be A Proof Out Of Islamic Circles

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad updated 2 weeks, 3 days ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 8, 2024 at 10:59 pm

    It is the information received from God. This is the narrative of religion and is told as it is. There is no way to make it acceptable to someone who does not believe in God or in the divine religion. For such a person, we first invite him to believe in the truth of Deen and these examples become a premise for that because these events took place exactly the way God predicted, as his Sunnah.

  • Abdullah AbdulRahman

    Member March 14, 2024 at 9:03 am

    To put it in another way, religion is based on human’s nature. How would you prove it or make an argument for it based solely on human nature (i.e logically and rationally)?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 15, 2024 at 2:54 am

    We observe what is human nature and then look into the religion to know that there is nothing contradicting human nature. If apparently something seems go against nature then we explain it.

    The truth is there is nothing against human nature in Islam.

    • Abdullah AbdulRahman

      Member March 28, 2024 at 2:32 pm

      If we go with a secular approach towards the human nature then a group of people, Muslims, massacred another group of people, polytheists, when they were in a dominant position, just because they were not the followers of the dominant religion. That group discriminated another group, ahl-e-kitaab, and forced them to pay, jizya, just because they were not the followers of the dominant religion. A religion, the followers of which were themselves persecuted and asked for mercy, but then they migrated.


      If that is moral then every religion should have a right to that, that whenever they feel that they have put forward a conclusive argument, itmam-e-hujjah, then they can just kill the “disbelievers” or discriminate based on their religion, based on their categorization.

  • Omar Khayaam

    Member March 15, 2024 at 2:19 pm

    Your question is very similar to mine…and a very good one in my opinion the ittmame hujja law is itself contradicting and everyone has its own version to justify it

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 29, 2024 at 12:10 am

    If the followers of other religions too receive the information of itmam e Hujjat from God, and they believe in Him, then they have no choice but to obey the directive of God and implement the punishment ordained by God.

    Justification of consequences of Itmam e Hujjat is valid only to a believer. For a secular, we first need to discuss with him what is religion and what is God and that God has the authority to punish His deniers. This is what He will in the hereafter and when if wills He does the same in this world.

    In principle, an authority has the power to punish the ones who violate its directives as we see the governments do to their rebels. God did the same to His rebels. Not only His deniers but He has prescribed severe punishments for Muslims who commit major crimes like theft, murder, adultery, and fasad fi al Ard. He said that this is His Azab for those who despite being Muslims violate his code.

    In a nutshell, if you believe in God and that God has authority, and He did talk to a Human (Rasul) to tell His directives, things are clear, otherwise not.

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