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  • How Does "Ittmame Hujjat" Make Sense???

    Posted by Omar Khayaam on March 12, 2024 at 5:51 am

    Ghamidi ji always brings the concept of Ittmima hujjat to defend the wars made by muslims, so if ittmame hujjat is only carried when truth has been unexcusabily ,undeniably and explicitly conveyed to non muslims then why people like abu sufiyaan and ikramah bin abu jahl and many others were converted after wars and why their convertions to Islam were accepted because Allah made clear that they were absolutely sure clear about Islam and letted muslims to kill them because ittmamehujja was done on them in Badr??? Then how can they convert to Islam after wars, if they already denied clear truth of Islam and Allah lettted muslims to kill them.?

    There are two scenarios,

    one either they were not clearly convinced i.e the hujjat wasnt completed and still Allah didnt let muslims know about it and avoid the war and order to not kill abu suffiyan and many other similiar ones???

    And the second scenario is they faked their conversion to islam

    Please clarify

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago 2 Members · 6 Replies
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  • How Does "Ittmame Hujjat" Make Sense???

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 13, 2024 at 3:44 am

    In Surah Tawbah verse 5, which declares the final verdict of the annihilation of the disbelievers, it was made clear that if they convert to Islam, establish prayer, and pay zakat, let them go. So, many people finally converted to Islam. Whether they truly converted or not will judged by God in the hereafter.

    We know different people give up their prejudices at different stages of their lives, though they know the reality the entire time.

    • Omar Khayaam

      Member March 13, 2024 at 5:22 am

      But it doesnt make sense because if someone has not completely understood islam then how can God decree the azaab at the first place and on the contrary if they had understood the message and delibrately still refused then why Allah would give them a chance to repent after giving the azaab verdict its completeley contradiction against his own sunnatullah.

      Then why didnt Allah forgive pharoah when became believer when he was drowning???

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 14, 2024 at 1:53 am

    The whole Qur’an stands witness to the fact that God give chances again Ans again to make people leave their prejudice and accept the truth. He sends minor azab before the final one to shake them to wake them up from their deliberate negligence. This is His mercy. But when one comes to the last hour or his life and still stays adamant he is not forgiven.

    You can witness this behaviour of human beings who commits crimes. Some of them turn around at a certain point of time and some do not. Human committed heinous crimes like genocide. They do it deliberately knowing they were doing wrong. But after that some of them repent and some don’t . We have all kinds of stories. You need to understand human behaviour first.

    • Omar Khayaam

      Member March 14, 2024 at 2:47 am

      Brother you can’t come up with your own answer it should be backed by quran or sunnah.

      Based on your latest answer then why abu lahab was already declared a deweller of hell and even an specific surah was dedicated for him and his wife why did Allah close the door way before and didnt allow him to have time for repentance and knowing to truth???

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 15, 2024 at 3:07 am

    He was not declared the dweller of hell on the first place but after many warnings.

    Secondly God told that he won’t turn around but this was not the case for every one. on the other hand in surah mumtahina which was revealed before the conquest of Makakh, God told that still there were chances that the enemies might turn around. See the surah.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar March 15, 2024 at 3:11 am

    Every part of this law is explicitly described in the Qur’an. Since I got an impression that you might have gone through the material produced by Ghamidi saheb and his disciples on this I didn’t quote the verses.

    If that impression is not correct then you are suggested to read and listen the whole stuff to understand our point of view first then you can come up with your questions.

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