-
5 Haraam Things
The way Ghamidi sahab explains them is it correct to say not praying on time with any excuse is haraam?
-
23 Replies
-
5 Haraam Things
updated 4 years ago
5 Members
·
23
Replies
-
And also why isn’t it a contradiction to say in one place only these things are haraam and in another place to say that these extra dietary things are haraam?
-
For ibadah, the term Haram and Halal is not appropriate. The best way to say it would be that Praying 5 times a day is obligatory on Muslims.
-
Why not? Something is either allowed or prohibited it can’t be in between.
-
One can use these terms if one wants to (in loose terms), but the nature of this act is different and the linguistics of this also demand a different terminology to be used which is commensurate with the nature of act. 5 prayers are made obligatory on us, not made halal on us.
-
Well if we look at it like a slider:
Haraam makruh
Mubah/halal
Mustahabh/fardh
It would be like this. I think all actions can come into these categories.
So to not fulfil a fard would be….?
Because it is an ethical/moral directive to pray right? It relates to the purity of the soul and isn’t mentioned where the five haraam things are
-
And also couldn’t it fall under ithm?
-
-
How is this a contradiction when one relates to purity of meal and other one relates to purity of soul (ikhlaqi tazkiya). They are both equally important objectives of religion.
-
Because it says my lord has ONLY made these things haraam.
-
A rational person can conclude both by content, context and by considering the overall framework of religion that which category is being discussed. In that particular category, “God only forbid those things”
-
So in the category of purity of the soul these are the only haraam things?
From what I understand the entire religion is to do with purity of the soul though.
Could you please elaborate on what category this is?
-
I still don’t get this. Because this category would be food and drink. And it doesn’t mention alcohol
-
?
-
Which category are you talking about?
-
You mentioned that God only made things in a particular category that’s what I’m trying to find out.
‘A rational person can conclude both by content, context and by considering the overall framework of religion that which category is being discussed. In that particular category, “God only forbid those things”’
-
and which verses are you referring to? the dietary prohibition verses or ethical prohibitions in 7:33?
-
2:173 talks about food and drink and says only. And it doesn’t mention alcohol
7:33 mentioned ethics.
But what would you say if someone says God said he only made this haraam here in 2:173 and he said he only made this haraam in 7:33 and he says it’s a contradiction
-
That someone should be requested to not see the word “only” in isolation, rather see them in the context of what particular category was being discussed in the ongoing verses of Quran. That “only” belongs to that particular category being discussed.
Regarding alcohol, please give it another read:
-
-
Purification in religious scheme includes purification of ethics, dietary and body.
-
So can we say missing salah comes under ithm?
-
-
yes, because you dont give God what you owe to him
-
A follow up question – who/what tells us what falls under each of these categories? Ahadith? Because i could classify something as ‘ithm’ but somebody else could argue. So what is the Furqan/Meezan in that case?
-
Our fitrat and nature is the meezan in this case and human experience suggests that we haven’t had differed much in application of what comes under ‘ithm’, most of the times it is very clear. Its only a very few grey areas which will always be present in application matters of a particular principle. And in matters which had a big potential to be misunderstood, those matters were settled by revelation e.g. matters of riba and fornication.
-
-
Asslamualaikum,
I have a question regarding Salah, in surah Ma’un, it says
[107:5] “ٱلَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْ سَاهُونَ”
yet are unmindful of their prayers;
Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
In this is praying salah either:
– Not on time
-While being distracted by thoughts
– Praying without intention to worship Allah
prohibited? Or are all of them prohibited? Could this come into one of the five categories in 7:33 – maybe it comes under ithm?
Sponsor Ask Ghamidi
