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  • 5 Haraam Things

    Aazim updated 3 years, 6 months ago 5 Members · 23 Replies
  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor October 11, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    And also why isn’t it a contradiction to say in one place only these things are haraam and in another place to say that these extra dietary things are haraam?

  • Umer

    Moderator October 11, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    For ibadah, the term Haram and Halal is not appropriate. The best way to say it would be that Praying 5 times a day is obligatory on Muslims.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 11, 2020 at 7:04 pm

      Why not? Something is either allowed or prohibited it can’t be in between.

    • Umer

      Moderator October 11, 2020 at 7:09 pm

      One can use these terms if one wants to (in loose terms), but the nature of this act is different and the linguistics of this also demand a different terminology to be used which is commensurate with the nature of act. 5 prayers are made obligatory on us, not made halal on us.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 12, 2020 at 2:19 am

      Well if we look at it like a slider:

      Haraam makruh

      Mubah/halal

      Mustahabh/fardh

      It would be like this. I think all actions can come into these categories.

      So to not fulfil a fard would be….?

      Because it is an ethical/moral directive to pray right? It relates to the purity of the soul and isn’t mentioned where the five haraam things are

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 12, 2020 at 5:23 am

      And also couldn’t it fall under ithm?

  • Umer

    Moderator October 11, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    How is this a contradiction when one relates to purity of meal and other one relates to purity of soul (ikhlaqi tazkiya). They are both equally important objectives of religion.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 11, 2020 at 7:03 pm

      Because it says my lord has ONLY made these things haraam.

    • Umer

      Moderator October 11, 2020 at 7:11 pm

      A rational person can conclude both by content, context and by considering the overall framework of religion that which category is being discussed. In that particular category, “God only forbid those things”

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 12, 2020 at 2:20 am

      So in the category of purity of the soul these are the only haraam things?

      From what I understand the entire religion is to do with purity of the soul though.

      Could you please elaborate on what category this is?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 14, 2020 at 9:04 pm

      I still don’t get this. Because this category would be food and drink. And it doesn’t mention alcohol

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 15, 2020 at 3:56 pm

      ?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 15, 2020 at 3:58 pm

      Which category are you talking about?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 15, 2020 at 4:00 pm

      You mentioned that God only made things in a particular category that’s what I’m trying to find out.

      ‘A rational person can conclude both by content, context and by considering the overall framework of religion that which category is being discussed. In that particular category, “God only forbid those things”’

    • Umer

      Moderator October 15, 2020 at 4:04 pm

      and which verses are you referring to? the dietary prohibition verses or ethical prohibitions in 7:33?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 15, 2020 at 4:06 pm

      2:173 talks about food and drink and says only. And it doesn’t mention alcohol

      7:33 mentioned ethics.

      But what would you say if someone says God said he only made this haraam here in 2:173 and he said he only made this haraam in 7:33 and he says it’s a contradiction

    • Umer

      Moderator October 15, 2020 at 6:28 pm

      That someone should be requested to not see the word “only” in isolation, rather see them in the context of what particular category was being discussed in the ongoing verses of Quran. That “only” belongs to that particular category being discussed.

      Regarding alcohol, please give it another read:

      Discussion 31785

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar October 12, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Purification in religious scheme includes purification of ethics, dietary and body.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 12, 2020 at 10:37 am

      So can we say missing salah comes under ithm?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar October 12, 2020 at 12:13 pm

    yes, because you dont give God what you owe to him

  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member October 18, 2020 at 11:28 am

    A follow up question – who/what tells us what falls under each of these categories? Ahadith? Because i could classify something as ‘ithm’ but somebody else could argue. So what is the Furqan/Meezan in that case?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 19, 2020 at 5:15 pm

      Our fitrat and nature is the meezan in this case and human experience suggests that we haven’t had differed much in application of what comes under ‘ithm’, most of the times it is very clear. Its only a very few grey areas which will always be present in application matters of a particular principle. And in matters which had a big potential to be misunderstood, those matters were settled by revelation e.g. matters of riba and fornication.

  • Aazim

    Member December 19, 2020 at 11:08 am

    Asslamualaikum,

    I have a question regarding Salah, in surah Ma’un, it says

    [107:5] “ٱلَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْ سَاهُونَ”

    yet are unmindful of their prayers;

    Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

    In this is praying salah either:

    – Not on time

    -While being distracted by thoughts

    – Praying without intention to worship Allah

    prohibited? Or are all of them prohibited? Could this come into one of the five categories in 7:33 – maybe it comes under ithm?


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