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  • Mutawatir Ahadith

    Umer updated 3 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 19, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    The very fact that a hadith is dependent on the names of narrators is evidence enough that it doesn’t meet the condition of tawatur.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor December 19, 2020 at 7:12 pm

      What is the condition? Is it not simply when the number of narrators is so diverse and reliable that collusion of a lie or a misunderstanding is impossible?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator December 19, 2020 at 7:13 pm

      Yes.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor December 19, 2020 at 7:14 pm

      So isn’t 62 companions enough for that?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 19, 2020 at 7:45 pm

    For something to meet the condition of tawatur it must be perpetually and concurrently transmitted through generations by such a large body of people that their conspiring or colluding on a lie must be incomprehensible. There’s no objective count of people that can be associated with tawatur.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor December 19, 2020 at 7:47 pm

      62 of the companions of the prophet isn’t enough for the collusion of lie to be incomprehensible? There’s two things- the large body, and the reliability of each person in said large body

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator December 19, 2020 at 7:50 pm

      Tawatur has nothing to do with reliability of people involved. My comments on the number are above.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor December 19, 2020 at 7:51 pm

      Why not? The incomprehensibility of the lie is the variable being discussed- unless tawatur inherently ensues perpetual concurrence in its meaning too.

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator December 19, 2020 at 8:07 pm

      Please refer to all of our previous discussions on the topic of ijma and tawatur and review all of the information that we shared with you before.

  • Umer

    Moderator December 20, 2020 at 1:14 am

    This topic has also been discussed at length in the first video on Second Coming of Jesus (sws) in response to 23 Questions Series:

    Please refer to the video below from 19:34 to 38:00

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