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  • Hadith Required To Identify Innovations In Sunnah

    Posted by Abdullah AbdulRahman on December 14, 2021 at 2:21 am


    Ghamidi sahab says that Ahadees doesn’t add any new obligation. But the Deen we have by twatar,if something (bidat)would be added into it on the name of good thing and would later be called as Deen so isn’t it Ahadees which help us to know what was in the time of Prophet SAW and what has been added?

    Umer replied 1 year, 5 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Hadith Required To Identify Innovations In Sunnah

    Umer updated 1 year, 5 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 14, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    We can verify any innovations against the Quran and Sunnah.

  • Abdullah AbdulRahman

    Member December 15, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    How, without the Ahadith? without which according to Ghamidi sahab we would have the same Islam and Ahadees which does not affect Islam(as i have understood his understanding of Ahadees)

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator December 15, 2021 at 3:13 pm

    Through the Quran and the Sunnah.

  • Adnan Amin

    Member December 15, 2021 at 11:15 pm

    May be a respectful request can be made to Ghamidi Sahab to consider writing a short book that contains all the Sunnat, without any ahadith.

  • Abdullah AbdulRahman

    Member December 16, 2021 at 5:23 am

    Didn’t he make a list in Meezan?But the thing is saying that Ahadith does not affect the course of Islam or we would have the same Islam if there would be no Ahadith(am i right that Ghamidi sahab has this perspective for Ahadith?).So saying that, how evidential is this thing because Ghamidi sahab himself presents Ahadith many times as his evidence.

  • Umer

    Moderator December 16, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    Please refer to the following response by Ghamidi Sahab:

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  • Abdullah AbdulRahman

    Member December 18, 2021 at 6:16 am

    He gave a satisfactory answer but for example he says Quran don’t have 7 qiraat,but in some different parts of the world we have other qiraats than the normal one.And whole ummah (except some) but more than a large group (jamm e ghafir)accepted it and so we have it now?

    • Umer

      Moderator December 18, 2021 at 2:52 pm

      This is not the kind of Ijma and Tawatur that has been discussed in the context of Sunnah. In order to meet the condition of tawatur it must be perpetually transmitted through generations from the very first day by such a large body of people that their conspiring or colluding on a lie becomes near to impossible. Ijma refers to consensus of the Muslims’ Knowledge (‘Musalmanon kai ilm ka ijma‘) which has been incorporated in ‘Fiqh Books‘ throughout the generations.

      Ijma developed on Ahad later at some time is not the ijma we use for religion. There should be no Ahad in that chain of transmission to be classified as Ijma. And there is no ijma on Seven Qirats when we trace back the tradition of ilm recorded through ijma of scholars except for Qirat of Arza-e-Akhira.

      Please refer to the following to understand the issue of Seven Qirats (Variant Readings of Quran) in Farahi Discourse:

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