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  • Ghamidi Sahab Missed One Sahih Hadith Regarding Music

    Posted by Mohammad Ali Soomro on September 20, 2022 at 5:04 am

    Hello assalamualaikum,

    My question is that i watched the topic of music of ghamidi sahab from “23 objections” series. And there ghamidi sahab said that there are total 26 sahih or hasan ahadeeth in this topic and he explained those Hadith. But there another Hadith which they did not mention and in that Hadith also some hint for A musical instrument is given.

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-‘As:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) forbade wine (khamr), game of chance (maysir), drum (kubah), and wine made from millet (ghubayrah), saying: Every intoxicant is forbidden.

    Abu Dawud said: Ibn Sallam Abu ‘Ubaid said: Ghubairah was an intoxicant liquor made from millet. This wine was made by the Abyssinians

    Sunan Abi Dawud 3685

    Sahih according to Al – Albani

    https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3685

    The question is that Albani says that this is sahih and if it’s really sahih then why didn’t ghamidi sahab added it into series, secondly can you explain this hadith? About what is it saying and in what sense is the mention of drum made?

    Ps. Some people who translated this hadith into Urdu translated the ‘Kubah’ as Saarangi and in English translation we see Drum. So what exactly is it in reality? And what is its point and explanation. And if it’s sahih then why didn’t ghamidi sahab include it into his series.

    And also if some Hadith is displayed about which some muhaddis say it’s zaeef and some say it’s sahih, so what should a person do? Shall they consider them sahih or not? Or is it like that the reliable Hadith is the one that is totally accepted by all or almost all muhaddis to be sahih?

    Haseeb Faisal replied 1 week, 3 days ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Ghamidi Sahab Missed One Sahih Hadith Regarding Music

    Haseeb Faisal updated 1 week, 3 days ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar September 20, 2022 at 5:46 am

    In case of the difference of opinions of the Hadith experts, we need to study their arguments and then decide. There is no other way.

    Ghamidi saheb relies more on Azami saheb’s work on Hadith Al Jamey Al Kamil. Azamhi might have not found your cited hadith Sahih or Hasan.

    The subject matter of this hadith has also been discussed. The context is usually missing in ahadith. we have to understand hadith in the light of the principles of shariah.

  • Umer

    Moderator September 21, 2022 at 9:47 am

    Even if this Hadith is Sahih and is actually talking about some musical instrument in reality (because the focus of this narration seems to be on intoxicants and Gambling), it would still be studied in the light of the following discussion:

    Discussion 59741 • Reply 59766

    As a matter of Principle, Ahadith and/or separate incidents and individual reports are not a source of any law, because of certain inherent limitations with their nature of transmission, they are to be understood in the light of Quran and Sunnah. To understand Ghamidi Sahab’s take on how to approach hadith corpus from an epistemological stand-point, you’re requested to please go through all the resources provided in the following response or at the very least, go through the text and videos provided under the heading “placement of Hadith in the overall framework of religion“:

    Discussion 66135 • Reply 66162

    Please also refer to the following response by Ghamidi Sahab:

    Discussion 70494 • Reply 70534

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member September 22, 2022 at 3:30 am

    @Irfan76 @UmerQureshi thank you so much 😊🌺

  • Haseeb Faisal

    Member September 22, 2022 at 3:45 pm

    With regards to the term ‘Kubah’, it can refer to: “A drum, flute or backgammon piece.” So it’s entirely possible that the term was referring to a backgammon piece due to the prohibition on gambling.

    The website below mentions the following, “Juday’: ‘The correct explanation (for the term Kubah) is the backgammon piece, when used for gambling.'”

    I also recall Ghamidi Sahab mentioning a hadith where the term ‘Kubah’ was mentioned, stating that there is more than one meaning for the term. I’ll find the video, but you might have to find the timestamp, since it’s quite a long video. Sweat Smile

    JazakAllah!

    https://studylib.net/doc/10134100/a-balanced-islamic-view-on-music-and-singing

  • Haseeb Faisal

    Member September 23, 2022 at 10:45 am

    Asalamualaikum Mr. Somroo,

    There is a discussion on the word ‘Kubah’ in the video below at 34:15, where Ghamidi Sahab clarifies that it has many uses, as I showed you above. So, deducing a prohibition on music based on the hadith that you’ve mentioned seems unreasonable in my opinion.

    https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/video/5aabdd90b951cb6c099eb92f

    Manzoor ul Hasan Sahab’s articles on music are very good and comprehensive. I believe he has also discussed the term ‘kubah’, but I’m not sure if the articles below include that discussion. I think some articles may have been lost while the websites were being upgraded, although I’m not sure.

    https://ghamidi.tv/articles/music-and-islam-1759
    https://ghamidi.tv/articles/syed-manzoor-ul-hassan-542
    https://ghamidi.tv/articles/ahadees-prophets-narratives-pertaining-to-music-1182

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member September 23, 2022 at 11:59 am

    Thank you Sir for these links 😊🌺

    • Haseeb Faisal

      Member September 23, 2022 at 11:14 pm

      My pleasure Mr. Soomro!

      I believe there is another hadith regarded to be sahih by some scholars in which ‘qinnin’ is being prohibited. Some commentators hold this term to mean drum/lute, whereas others regard it to be a sport/game that entailed gambling.

      I’m not sure if it’s the following hadith:

      إنَّ اللهَ حرَّمَ على أُمَّتي الخَمرَ، والمَيسرَ، والمِزْرَ، والقِنِّينَ، والكُوبَةَ، وزادَني صلاةَ الوترِ. الراوي:عبدالله بن عمرو المحدث:شعيب

      Anyhow, I’m just bringing this hadith up because there seems to be a similar explanation for it to the one that you mentioned. The narrative I’ve mentioned above even mentions kubah.

      https://hadithanswers.com/meaning-of-the-word-qinnin/

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member September 23, 2022 at 12:08 pm

    Wa alaykum assalaam

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