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  • Natural Human Disposition To Believe In One God And Hinduism

    Posted by Daniyaa Khan on October 24, 2022 at 6:04 am


    my question is if knowledge of one God is in human nature by birth and people who belong to hindu families didn’t get the proper message of Prophet. Allah will not listen the excuse that we born in hindu family and my forefathers had been doing this so i did so. then how Allah will judge that person? how can Sir javed Ahmad ghamidi say that if he doing it intentionally then he will be punished if its in human nature how can such a large group of people can do shirk are they all doing intentionally.

    Umer replied 7 months, 1 week ago 4 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Natural Human Disposition To Believe In One God And Hinduism

    Umer updated 7 months, 1 week ago 4 Members · 15 Replies
  • Saad Aamir

    Member October 24, 2022 at 6:38 am

    This video might help. The last part (37:57) sums it up.

    Please watch from 29:03 to 39:18:

  • Saad Aamir

    Member October 24, 2022 at 6:40 am

    General priniciple-based response for such questions:

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 6:43 am

    I’ve seen all these lectures but not mentioned what i asked

    • Saad Aamir

      Member October 24, 2022 at 6:46 am

      Which part it did not answer? Because Ghamidi Sahab isn’t saying that every Hindu-born is going to be punished. There must be a stage of thinking, listening, advising, debate, arguing and warning before one is in danger of being labelled as an intentional mushrik.

      As for why people do intentional shirk, I was looking for that one video where Ghamidi Sahab answer that otherwise I can paraphase his response if you like.

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 6:54 am

    because if that fitrat is so strong but environment and surroundings are more stronger than that so much people are doing shirk while having by birth knowledge of one God and Allah will judge on that base

    • Saad Aamir

      Member October 24, 2022 at 6:55 am

      Actually people by fitrah know that lying is wrong. In fact the urge to tell the truth is stronger in fitrah regardless of environment than tawheed, yet people still lie in all kind of places.

      Because the whole test is who is willing to listen to his fitrah and who doesn’t. Free will given by Allah means that you can rebel against your fitrah or not. For whatever reason, such as arrogance, greed, hatred of others etc.

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 7:32 am

    see where im confused is people still have that excuse which Allah finished by giving birth knowledge of One God

    they still have One God’s knowledge but they are still born in polytheistic families and following that religion even though they are doing it intentionally but still they are not conscious about their knowledge which is in their fitrah point is still same people still are doomed who are in that families, religions, environment etc

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 7:41 am

    if its in fitrah how people are not conscious because Allah will judge on that base eternal hell is the punishment and its not a small thing and people who are born in that families why are they doomed How can that happened all of the people at the same time are conscious and doing what been practicing in their families because it’s not a small thing people love their miraas. Its difficult for them

  • Saad Aamir

    Member October 24, 2022 at 7:42 am

    They are not necessarily doomed. That’s what the videos are saying.

    Every person must seek the truth. It is in our fitrah to question, to have arguments for our belief, to use our intelligence. This is the voice of our fitrah.

    Allah will ask if we did justice to the voice of fitrah. If a mushrik never answered the voice of the fitrah then the questioning will start from there. That why didn’t he seek the truth, not that he is a mushrik or anything.

    What people need to understand about Qur’an is that people argued that we were only doing what our fathers were doing, so we should not be punished for their mistake. So Allah counters that and says that did He not give you free will? Did not give you ability to think? Was is it obligatory upon you to follow whatever your fathers were doing? Hazrat Ibrahim (AS) is an example, born in a complete polytheistic environment, started to think and answered the voice of fitrah and accepted that there is only One God. Every sane person can think like that, everyone can answer the voice of fitrah but if they do not then they must answer for it.

    But it doesn’t just stop there, Allah will then send some warning or people to remind you, they will make polytheists reach the point where they will forced to make arguments for their beliefs and then they will realize that there is no basis for their shirk but if they continue to stubbornly believe in something that’s not correct then they will answer for the crime of being intentional mushrik.

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 7:58 am

    What about if he/she answer that voice and question his religion but goes to wrong conclusion still do as shirk because sir Javed Ahmad Ghamidi said if he answer that voice sincerely but gets the wrong conclusion he will not be punished but how can he get wrong conclusion if One God in our nature

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 8:14 am

    and punishment of eternal hell is for intentional shirk not for not listening the fitrah voice? for what a person obviously be questioned but it will not considered shirk or mushrik right? What i get from your answer above am i right?

  • Saad Aamir

    Member October 24, 2022 at 8:16 am

    Christians have the word of God with them yet they come to wrong conclusion that Hazrat Isa (AS) is God.

    Even with knowledge, human can make mistakes. What differs between those who will be saved and those are doomed is how they respond to mistake. If you remind them of their mistakes, do they repent? Or do they stubbornly insist on their mistakes?

    Allah will reward those who tried and made effort to seek truth even if they make errors. But those who refuse to make effort, those who refuse to answer the voice of fitrah, those who insist on their mistakes after being reminded, they must answer for such actions.

    Eternal punishment is actually for intentional rebellion and intentional shirk is the worst kind of rebellion. If one isn’t an intentional mushrik, then yes, they will only be questioned based on what stage they were on (i.e only for not making an effort for seeking truth).

  • Daniyaa Khan

    Member October 24, 2022 at 8:20 am


    very well explained

    May ALLAH PAK bless you more and more


  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator October 24, 2022 at 8:43 am

    It is an incorrect assumption that Hindus are polytheists. Polytheism is a belief in which there are many gods, none of whom participate in the divine essence of any of the others. These separate and autonomous gods are all of equal status and are worshipped simultaneously.

    Most Hindus believe that all of their gods and goddesses are manifestations of the one Ultimate Brahman (Bhagvan). Also most Hindus worship only one god or goddess as being higher than the others, but accept the right of others to worship other gods.

    In essence, most Hindus are not polytheists but can be regarded as monists who hold pantheistic views. While such a view is purely philosophical in nature, it is not in contradiction to the natural human disposition regarding one Creator.

  • Umer

    Moderator October 25, 2022 at 10:39 pm

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