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    Authenticity Of Narration Regarding Abu Bakr (rta) Burning His Hadith Collection

    Posted by Amjad Daud on September 19, 2023 at 12:19 am

    ๐ŸŒ• ู‚ุงู„ุช ุฌู…ุน ุฃุจูŠ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุฑุณูˆู„ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ููƒุงู†ุช ุฎู…ุณู…ุงุฆุฉ ุญุฏูŠุซ ุŒ ูุจุงุช ูŠุชู‚ู„ุจ . . . ูู„ู…ุง ุฃุตุจุญ ู‚ุงู„ : ุฃูŠ ุจู†ูŠุฉ ู‡ู„ู…ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุนู†ุฏูƒุŒ ูุฌุฆุชู‡ ุจู‡ุง ูุฃุญุฑู‚ู‡ุง ุŒ ูˆู‚ุงู„ : ุฎุดูŠุช ุฃู† ุฃู…ูˆุช ูˆู‡ูŠ ุนู†ุฏูƒ ููŠูƒูˆู† ููŠู‡ุง ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุฑุฌู„ ุงุฆุชู…ู†ุชู‡ ูˆูˆุซู‚ุช ุจู‡ ูˆู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูƒู…ุง ุญุฏุซู†ูŠ ูุฃูƒูˆู† ู‚ุฏ ุชู‚ู„ุฏุช ุฐู„ูƒ. ุฒุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญูˆุต ุจู† ุงู„ู…ูุถู„ ููŠ ุฑูˆุงูŠุชู‡ : ุฃูˆ ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‚ุฏ ุจู‚ูŠ ุญุฏูŠุซ ู„ู… ุฃุฌุฏู‡ ููŠู‚ุงู„: ู„ูˆ ูƒุงู† ู‚ุงู„ู‡ ุฑุณูˆู„ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ู…ุง ุฎููŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุจูŠ ุจูƒุฑ

    Ustaad muhtaram ooper bayan hadith ka zikr kar rahe hain “Hadith kya hai? -3” me.

    Thoda iss hadith ki authenticity ke baare me wazahat kar den.

    Kuchh ulama iss ko shia ki hadith kahte hain, iss hadith me majhool rawi hai..

    Umer replied 7 months, 1 week ago 2 Members · 1 Reply
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  • Authenticity Of Narration Regarding Abu Bakr (rta) Burning His Hadith Collection

    Umer updated 7 months, 1 week ago 2 Members · 1 Reply
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  • Umer

    Moderator September 23, 2023 at 3:13 pm

    It is a requirement to always provide references whenever something is quoted from another scholar. What you might be referring to is the quotation made by Ghamidi Sahab from Imam Dahabi’s book “Tazkarat-ul-Huffaz” (ุชุฐูƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ุญูุงุธ) which can be seen in the video below from 10:40 to 14:02.

    Following is the relevent narration:

    ูˆู‚ุฏ ู†ู‚ู„ ุงู„ุญุงูƒู… ูู‚ุงู„: ุญุฏุซู†ูŠ ุจูƒุฑ ุจู† ู…ุญู…ุฏ ุงู„ุตูŠุฑููŠ ุจู…ุฑูˆ ุฃู†ุง ู…ุญู…ุฏ ุจู† ู…ูˆุณู‰ ุงู„ุจุฑุจุฑูŠ ุฃู†ุง ุงู„ู…ูุถู„ ุจู† ุบุณุงู† ุฃู†ุง ุนู„ูŠ ุจู† ุตุงู„ุญ ุฃู†ุง ู…ูˆุณู‰ ุจู† ุนุจุฏ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุจู† ุญุณู† ุจู† ุญุณู† ุนู† ุฅุจุฑุงู‡ูŠู… ุจู† ุนู…ุฑ ุจู† ุนุจูŠุฏ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุงู„ุชูŠู…ูŠ ุญุฏุซู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุงุณู… ุจู† ู…ุญู…ุฏ ู‚ุงู„ุช ุนุงุฆุดุฉ: ุฌู…ุน ุฃุจูŠ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุฑุณูˆู„ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุฎู…ุณู…ุงุฆุฉ ุญุฏูŠุซ ูุจุงุช ู„ูŠู„ุชู‡ ูŠุชู‚ู„ุจ ูƒุซูŠุฑุง ู‚ุงู„ุช: ูุบู…ู†ูŠ

    ูู‚ู„ุช: ุฃุชุชู‚ู„ุจ ู„ุดูƒูˆู‰ ุฃูˆ ู„ุดูŠุก ุจู„ุบูƒุŸ ูู„ู…ุง ุฃุตุจุญ ู‚ุงู„: ุฃูŠ ุจู†ูŠุฉ ู‡ู„ู…ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุนู†ุฏูƒ ูุฌุฆุชู‡ ุจู‡ุง ูุฏุนุง ุจู†ุง ูุญุฑู‚ู‡ุง ูู‚ู„ุช: ู„ู… ุฃุญุฑู‚ุชู‡ุงุŸ ู‚ุงู„: ุฎุดูŠุช ุฃู† ุฃู…ูˆุช ูˆู‡ูŠ ุนู†ุฏูŠ ููŠูƒูˆู† ููŠู‡ุง ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุฑุฌู„ ู‚ุฏ ุงุฆุชู…ู†ุชู‡ ูˆูˆุซู‚ุช ูˆู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูƒู…ุง ุญุฏุซู†ูŠ ูุฃูƒูˆู† ู‚ุฏ ู†ู‚ู„ุช ุฐุงูƒ. ูู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุตุญ ูˆุงู„ู„ู‡ ุฃุนู„ู…

    (Vol.1 Pages 10-11, Dar-ul-Kutab Al-ilmiya, Beirut, First Edition)

    It is not a Hadith narration attributed to Prophet Muhammad (sws), rather it is more of a historical narration and for historical narrations, the chain does not matter as much as the plausibility of the event matters in the light of the holistic framework of history. Please refer to the following response of Ghamidi Sahab to understand his approach towards historical matters:

    Discussion 28527 • Reply 28626

    As far as the above narration of Imam Dahabi is concerned, there is not much objection on this narration except for the ones mentioned below:

    i) Imam Suyuti reported that Ibn-e-Kathir is reported to have said that one of the narrators Ali Bin Salih is unknown to him:

    ู‚ุงู„ ุงุจู† ูƒุซูŠุฑ: ู‡ุฐุง ุบุฑูŠุจ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆุฌู‡ ุฌุฏู‹ุงุŒ ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุจู† ุตุงู„ุญ ู„ุง ูŠุนุฑูุŒ ูˆุงู„ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุฑุณูˆู„ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ู‚ุฏุงุฑ ุจุฃู„ูˆูุŒ ูˆู„ุนู„ู‡ ุฅู†ู…ุง ุงุชูู‚ ู„ู‡ ุฌู…ุน ุชู„ูƒ ูู‚ุทุŒ ุซู… ุฑุฃู‰ ู…ุง ุฑุฃู‰ ู„ู…ุง ุฐูƒุฑุŒ ู‚ู„ุช: ุฃูˆ ู„ุนู„ู‡ ุฌู…ุน ู…ุง ูุงุชู‡ ุณู…ุงุนู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุจู‰ ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ูˆุญุฏุซู‡ ุจู‡ ุนู†ู‡ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุตุญุงุจุฉ ูƒุญุฏูŠุซ ุงู„ุฌุฏุฉ ูˆู†ุญูˆู‡ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุธุงู‡ุฑ ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ูŠุฒูŠุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุฏุงุฑุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ุฃุญูุธ ุงู„ุตุญุงุจุฉ ูˆุนู†ุฏู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุญุงุฏูŠุซ ู…ุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุนู†ุฏ ุฃุญุฏ ู…ู†ู‡ู…ุŒ ู„ุญุฏูŠุซ: “ู…ุง ุฏูู† ู†ุจู‰ ุฅู„ุง ุญูŠุซ ูŠู‚ุจุถ” ุซู… ุฎุดู‰ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฐู‰ ุญุฏุซู‡ ูˆู‡ู…ุŒ ููƒุฑู‡ ุชู‚ู„ุฏ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ุตุฑูŠุญ ููŠ ูƒู„ุงู…ู‡”

    (14/355 – ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุฌูˆุงู…ุน ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆู ุงู„ุฌุงู…ุน ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑ)

    (ุฌู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุฏูŠู† ุงู„ุณูŠูˆุทูŠ)

    (ุงู„ุฃุฒู‡ุฑ ุงู„ุดุฑูŠูุŒ ุงู„ู‚ุงู‡ุฑุฉ – ุฌู…ู‡ูˆุฑูŠุฉ ู…ุตุฑ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุฉ)

    (ุงู„ุทุจุนุฉ: ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุฉ)

    ii) Another narrator Musa bin Abdullah bin Hasan:

    – Yahya bin Moen considers him Siqqa (3/245 – ุชุงุฑูŠุฎ ุงุจู† ู…ุนูŠู† – ุฑูˆุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑูŠ)

    – Weak according to Aqili (1730, 4/159, ุงู„ุถุนูุงุก ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุนู‚ูŠู„ูŠ)

    – Weak according to Ibn-e-Adii (1826, 8/62, ุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„ ููŠ ุถุนูุงุก ุงู„ุฑุฌุงู„ (ุงุจู† ุนุฏูŠ))

    Since this narration falls in line with the overall approach of Abu Baqr (rta) during his lifetime as far as transmission of Hadith narrations is concerned, which are very few reported from him which tells us that he was very cautious when it came to transmission of any Hadith attributed to Prophet Muhammad (sws), therefore there is no reason to reject this historical narration.

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