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Were Adam And Eve Not Living In Paradise Before Being Moved Out?
Assalam Alaikum,
I recently came across Ghamidi sahab claiming Adam/Eve (as) were not really in Paradise but some garden within the Earth?
My question is,
(1) Doesn’t it idea contradict with 7:24 where Allah (swt) then asks them to descend/move out (to where?) to “Earth” ! Obviously they were not on Earth.
(2) “Jannah” in that same context is mentioned 28 times in the Quran, and Each time it meant “Paradise”.. then why is it that just one time (7:19) Ghamidi sahab is confident that it would have a different meaning? Quran is very consistent with the choice and use of words.
Please address my two arguments above. Kindly do not send any links/videos.
jazakAllah khair!
Hasan
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Were Adam And Eve Not Living In Paradise Before Being Moved Out?
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“Ahbitu” means to move out from the garden, to live somewhere outside the garden. There is no indication that it was somewhere out of the planet Earth. On the other hand, the way the birth of the first person is described in the Quran clearly indicates all that was going on was on the earth. See 32: 7.
The word Jannah means garden. It is used for the Jannah in the hereafter, but it is also used for the ordinary gardens of our lands. see, for example, 34: 15, 17: 91.
So linguistically, there is no problem in taking the jannah of Adam the one existed on the earth.
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The Quranic word used in Quran 2:36 is ‘اهْبِطُوا’. The expression ‘go down‘ / ‘get down‘ is used here in this very meaning as used in the expression of ‘مِصْرا اهْبِطُوا’ of verse 61 of Surah Baqarah (“[Then go] live in some Egypt“). The overall meaning is thus ‘O Adam and Eve and O Satan all of you move [out] from this garden and go in the earth’. (For the whole incident of Adam and Eve, please see: Discussion 82606)
Among other verses, as pointed out by Dr. Irfan Sahab, Quran 71:17 also makes it clear that Human Beings came out of this earth the way plants grow.
وَاللَّهُ أَنبَتَكُم مِّنَ الْأَرْضِ نَبَاتًا
and it is He Who has grown you from the earth in such an elaborate way. (Quran 71:17)
(For details on human creation, please see: Discussion 70004 • Reply 70189)
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Please also refer to the video below from 2:47 to 6:44 and from 21:54 to 23:38
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Please also refer to the video below from 1:08:18 to 1:09:49
https://www.youtube.com/live/lcRB9WIF3So?si=ilpEfDEb3qjQbobB&t=4098
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Please also refer to the video below from 3:07 to 4:52 and from 46:07 to 47:02
https://www.youtube.com/live/RzfcX0KT108?si=9tYC-fWadaysbRZP&t=187
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ﺍﻟﺴَّﻼَﻡُ ﻋَﻠَﻴـﻜُﻢ
Dear All,
I understand that eviction from Jannah is explicitly mentioned in Quran like 7:24
يٰبَنِىۡۤ اٰدَمَ لَا يَفۡتِنَـنَّكُمُ الشَّيۡطٰنُ كَمَاۤ اَخۡرَجَ اَبَوَيۡكُمۡ مِّنَ الۡجَـنَّةِ
ے بنی آدم، ایسا نہ ہو کہ شیطان تمہیں پھر اُسی طرح فتنے میں مبتلا کر دے جس طرح اُس نے تمہارے والدین کو جنّت سے نکلوایا تھ
Furthermore, please elaborate with Quranic verses where Jannah is used for the ordinary gardens.
I shall remain grateful for your clarification.
Thank you
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See the verses: 2: 265, 266, 17: 91
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Please read 7:27 instead of 7:24
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Wa Alaikum Assalam, Thank you Mumtaz for re-opening this old thread. I completely forgot to respond back to this. Here is my conclusion with evidences from Qur’an:
Dr. Irfan and Umer, although are correct on the meaning of Ahbitu and also the dual meaning of Jannah (as paradise and garden) as in 34:15 and 17:91, the arguement was still unresolved.
The fact that God made Adam from clay (as referred to 32:7 by Dr Irfan) doesn’t mean he was made on Earth. Shaytan was made from fire, doesn’t mean (and certainly not) he was made in Hell !?! It’s a poor argument.
My original question was; when Allah (swt) says “move out”, is He not talking about “move out from Jannah (Paradise) to the Earth”, and the answer was within the same Verse (and the next), I guess we all missed it. Let’s read it again together shall we? 7:24 and 7:25
[Allāh] said, “Descend, being to one another enemies. And for you on the earth is a place of settlement and enjoyment [i.e., provision] for a time.”
He said, “Therein you will live, and therein you will die, and from it you will be brought forth.”
So from 7:24, after Ahbitu, Allah immediately mentions that now Earth is your place of settlement! Had he already been on the Earth’s garden garden, there was no need to mention Earth. The “place” i.e. Earth is compared as opposed to the place he was in (where he was asked to step down).
Further the very next Verse 7:25 again emphasises on that new location “Earth” that Adam has been appointed, Therein you will live.. meaning he will now live on Earth.
Let’s stick to what Allah says in the Qur’an.
Shaytan entering (or be able to roam around) in Paradise is a different arguement, let’s not twist the Verses of Qur’an to answer/justify that argument.
A balanced approach (that resolves/satisfies both arguments) would be that Adam was in a separate Paradise/Garden (not on earth, and not the eternal Paradise), and since no other information is provided, we should leave it at that.
JazakAllah khair.
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