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Difference Of Opinion On Masturbation
why masturbations is allowed according to ghamidi sahab?why other scholars says it is prohibbited.
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Difference Of Opinion On Masturbation
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Is there really no hadith about this?
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That is correct.
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Check below for Hadiths
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Masturbation is against the spirit of modesty in Islam. For those who believe in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, following advise was given by Prophet Muhammad pbuh to guard modesty (i.e. private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.),
حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصِ بْنِ غِيَاثٍ ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي ، حَدَّثَنَا الْأَعْمَشُ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنِي عُمَارَةُ ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ ، قَالَ : دَخَلْتُ مَعَ عَلْقَمَةَ والْأَسْوَدِ عَلَى عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ، فَقَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ : كُنَّا مَعَ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ شَبَابًا لَا نَجِدُ شَيْئًا ، فَقَالَ لَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : يَا مَعْشَرَ الشَّبَابِ ، مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ الْبَاءَةَ فَلْيَتَزَوَّجْ ، فَإِنَّهُ أَغَضُّ لِلْبَصَرِ ، وَأَحْصَنُ لِلْفَرْجِ ، وَمَنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ فَعَلَيْهِ بِالصَّوْمِ فَإِنَّهُ لَهُ وِجَاءٌ .
Sahih Bukhari – 5066
Narrated `Abdullah: We were with the Prophet while we were young and had no wealth whatever. So Allah’s Apostle said, O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power.
میں علقمہ اور اسود ( رحمہم اللہ ) کے ساتھ عبداللہ بن مسعود رضی اللہ عنہ کی خدمت میں حاضر ہوا، انہوں نے ہم سے کہا کہ ہم نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے زمانہ میں نوجوان تھے اور ہمیں کوئی چیز میسر نہیں تھی۔ نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ہم سے فرمایا کہ نوجوانوں کی جماعت! تم میں جسے بھی نکاح کرنے کے لیے مالی طاقت ہو اسے نکاح کر لینا چاہئے کیونکہ یہ نظر کو نیچی رکھنے والا اور شرمگاہ کی حفاظت کرنے والا عمل ہے اور جو کوئی نکاح کی بوجہ غربت طاقت نہ رکھتا ہو اسے چاہیے کہ روزہ رکھے کیونکہ روزہ اس کی خواہشات نفسانی کو توڑ دے گا۔
حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَحْيَى التَّمِيمِيُّ، وَأَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلَاءِ الْهَمْدَانِيُّ، جَمِيعًا عَنْ أَبِي مُعَاوِيَةَ، وَاللَّفْظُ لِيَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الْأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ، قَالَ: كُنْتُ أَمْشِي مَعَ عَبْدِ اللهِ بِمِنًى، فَلَقِيَهُ عُثْمَانُ، فَقَامَ مَعَهُ يُحَدِّثُهُ، فَقَالَ لَهُ عُثْمَانُ: يَا أَبَا عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، أَلَا نُزَوِّجُكَ جَارِيَةً شَابَّةً، لَعَلَّهَا تُذَكِّرُكَ بَعْضَ مَا مَضَى مِنْ زَمَانِكَ، قَالَ: فَقَالَ عَبْدُ اللهِ: لَئِنْ قُلْتَ ذَاكَ، لَقَدْ قَالَ لَنَا رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: «يَا مَعْشَرَ الشَّبَابِ، مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ مِنْكُمُ الْبَاءَةَ فَلْيَتَزَوَّجْ، فَإِنَّهُ أَغَضُّ لِلْبَصَرِ، وَأَحْصَنُ لِلْفَرْجِ، وَمَنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ فَعَلَيْهِ بِالصَّوْمِ، فَإِنَّهُ لَهُ وِجَا
Sahih Muslim – 3398
Alqama reported: While I was walking with ‘Abdullah at Mina, ‘Uthman happened to meet him. He stopped there and began to talk with him. Uthman said to him: Abu ‘Abd al-Rahman, should we not marry you to a young girl who may recall to you some of the past of your bygone days; thereupon he said: If you say so, Allah’s Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: 0 young men, those among you who can support a wife should marry, for it restrains eyes from casting (evil glances). and preserves one from immorality; but those who cannot should devote themselves to fasting for it is a means of controlling sexual desire.
ابو معاویہ نے ہمیں اعمش سے خبر دی ، انہوں نے ابراہیم سے ، انہوں نے علقمہ سے روایت کی ، انہوں نے کہا : میں منیٰ میں حضرت عبداللہ بن مسعود رضی اللہ عنہ کے ساتھ پیدل چل رہا تھا کہ حضرت عثمان رضی اللہ عنہ سے ان کی ملاقات ہوئی ، وہ کھڑے ہو کر ان سے باتیں کرنے لگے ۔ سیدنا عثمان رضی اللہ عنہ نے اِن سے کہا : ابوعبدالرحمٰن! کیا ہم کسی نوجوان لڑکی سے آپ کی شادی نہ کرا دیں ، شاید وہ آپ کو آپ کا وہی زمانہ یاد کرا دے جو گزر چکا ہے؟ کہا : تو حضرت عبداللہ بن مسعود رضی اللہ عنہ نے کہا : اگر آپ نے یہ بات کہی ہے تو ( اس سے پہلے ) رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ہم سے فرمایا تھا : اے جوانوں کے گروہ! تم میں سے جو کوئی شادی کی استطاعت رکھتا ہو وہ شادی کر لے ، یہ نگاہ کو زیادہ جھکانے والی اور شرمگاہ کی زیادہ حفاظت کرنے والی ہے اور جو استطاعت نہیں رکھتا تو وہ روزے کو لازم کر لے ، یہ اس کے لیے خواہش کو قابو میں کرنے کا ذریعہ ہے۔
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These narrations have nothing to do with masturbation.
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masturbation tab tak insan nhi krta jab tak wo zehen ma kuch bura sochy na ya phr hawas se kuch bura dekhy na suny na jo usy nhi dekhna sunna chahiye.kion k har wo chez burai ha jo aik insan apny bary ma chahta ha k usky sath na ho,to jab aik insan dosry insan k bary ma bury khiyal zehen ma lata ha ya unko any deta ha ya kuch dekhta ha ya sunta jo usy nhi chaiye to tab tak masturbation insan nhi krta.han agar aik insan bina kuch bina sochy bina kuch gair ikhlaki dekhy suny bagair,or apni sehat or rab ki di hui naimat ki naqadri na shukri kiye bagair krta ha to phr thek ha jo k impossible hi ha takriban.
or aik hadees bhi ha k jiska mafhom kuch is tarah ha k insan k private parts to bs tasdeek krty ha usky zina ki jo wo pehly ankh kan ya dosry hawas se kr chuka hta ha.
or ahadees to aik choty se dour ma deen ki applications se mutalik riwayat ha asal deen to quran o sunnat ma ha asal framework to quran o sunnat ma ha.to agar us dor ma log shadia krty thy jis waja se koi riwayat nhi ha is se mutalik to iska matlab ye nhi k ye jaiz hojaye ga amal.
har amal ko quran o sunnat k frame ma rakh k dekha jaye ga to agar is amal ko rakh k dekha jaye to saaf galat malom hta ha.bar bar allah tala shadi krny ki targib dete ha roza rakh k shehwat ko thanda krny ka kehty ha.aurto ko kheti kehty ha,na shukri se insan ko naqadri se insan ko mana krty ha,fohsoh kamo k kareeb jany se bhi man krty ha.to kesw ye kam allow ho sakta ha.
or opr mention ahadees ma bhi roza ko bht amh kaha gya ha to agar to ye kam allow hta or log krty hty to roza k bary ma allah tala or rasol saw talqeen na krty.
quran sirf wo bunyady bata deta ha k jis k zariye insan khud sahi galat ma fark kr skta ha to ab agar is bary ma yr future ma or nai peda hony wali bemario k bary ma agar quran ya ahadess mention nhi krty to iska matlab ye nhi k wo allow ha.
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Juned Ahmed please provide valid references. Laws are not derived from opinions – but solid evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. There are no verses of the Quran as you stated above that encourage fasting in order to curb sexual urge. There’s a narration in that regard, but narrations are situational and don’t provide a basis for legislation.
If a biological need is made haram, it has to be evident in the Quran and the Sunnah without any guesswork or inferences.
To the contrary Ibn e Hazam has provided several references from sahaba who considered masturbation to be permissible.
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What made you decide that Hadiths from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari don’t provide a basis for legislation but references from Ibn e Hazam does?
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hadiths and anything about deen should be according to the framework of quran.
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How did someone decide that references from Ibn e Hazam are according to the framework of quran.
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i replied to sir faisal
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Oh!
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ma manta hu k ye itna bara gunah nhi ha itna haram kam nhi ha jitna kufer ya shirk ha lekin ye itna bhi allow nhi ha jitna ghamidi sir kehty ha ye makroh ha discouraged ha sirf usi mamly ma allow ho sakta ha jab insan bebas ho jese k haram khana us waqt jaiz hta ha jab koi dosri surat na ho.
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Ye ap kese keh skte ho k wo masturbation tab tak nai krta jab tak wo bura na soche …Science k مطابق ye urges person to person vary krti hain
Ager kisi aik main na hone k braber hain usse b doctor ki zaroorat hai kyun k iske bouht se manfi asraat peda hotay hain uski body pr
Toh point ye hain Allah ne Zina se bachne k liye Quran main jga jga likha hai uska reason smjh ata hai pr bhook or pyas ki tarah ye itni brri urges or desire ko control krne k liye koi b ayat nai utari ????
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shadi ka kaha ha allah tala ne bar bar,ya roza rakhny ka,ab agr society na shadi krna itna mushkil bana dia ha ya shadi ma nibah na hony ki surat ma talaq ko itna mushkil bana dia ha to ab is me islam ka kia qasor.ab agar hum khana pena apny liye mushkil bana lenge to ismy allah tala ka kia qasoor allah tala ne khana peda kia ha or roz krty ha roz arbo insano ko khilaty ha lamehdod makhlokat ko khilaty ha.allah tala ne to janwaro ka bhi jora jora banaya ha unki is jabilat k tehet to kia insano k liye koi intizam nhi kia.
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Bouht saray halaat hote insan k shadi krna possible nai hota ya koi krta nai kisi disabled ki misaal lelo ap unke liye kon kasoor war hai???? Mene asi bouht si misalein dekhein hain jo Log shadi nai krskte ya ho nai rahi or masturbation ko haraam smjhte pr brri burai ka shikaar hogye kyun ??? Kyun k unki fitrat ne unhein majboor kia …kher ye baat b sabhi pr apply nai hoti pr mere khayal k mutabiq Masturbation haram ki category main nai ati
Gunah hoskta hai …or shyd na hi ho gunah b (wo toh zahir hai sb kuch Qayamat walay din hi pta chle ga )pr ye apko brri buraion se bacha skta hai
Isse haram kehne se pehle b Surah Aaraf prh leni chahiye kyun Haram ki categories toh wohi hain unmein toh asa kuch nai ..na toh ye badkaari ki categories main ata hai or na baki main se kisi main
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bilkul haram to nhi keh sakty kion k insani jabilat py mabni gunah ha.or us darjy ka bhi nhi jis darjy ka zina ha,lekin better yehi ha k roza rkhy jye ya bacha jye jitna ho saky or tab hi kia jye jab insan sabr na kr saky or sath ma is choty gunah k sath or gunaho ko na milae.lekin agar is gunah ko bilkul hi allow kr dia jye ga to ye aisa gunah ha jo insan ko lazzat deta ha or phr insan ko addat lag jati ha or phr insan ko bht nuqsannat pohnochty ha.
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Wo toh obvious baat hai har cheez ka excessive use nuqsan deh hota hai Wo toh khana khanay or peene ka b hai ziada sone ka b hai
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i think ye baat k islam ne masturbation ko haram nhi kaha kion k insan ki ye biological need ha ye islam ki haqqaniyat ki bhi aik daleel ha.
ma agree krta hu k masturbation in general haram nhi ha lekin jab insan ye kam zrorat se zada krny lag jye to gunah ban jati ha or is kam k sath or gunah mila le to phr ye jaiz kam haram ban jata ha.
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What made you decide that Hadiths from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari don’t provide a basis for legislation but references from Ibn e Hazam does?
First of all, nothing in the Quran or hadith prohibits masturbation. Those who consider it forbidden argue from Quran verses 23:5-7. The linguistic error in understanding these verses has been clarified by Ghamidi sahab. Please see:
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Secondly, the confusion about why hadith does not provide a basis for legislation stems from not understanding what the nature of hadith corpus really is. I invite you to investigate this topic in a bit more detail with a sincere and an open mind. In short, hadiths mostly relate Prophet Muhammad SAW’s application of God’s law (present in the Quran and the Sunnah) in a particular situations. Since majority of hadith reports do not include context, when we take one and apply it as a general rule, a lot of times we end up with results that are exactly opposite of the Quran, the Sunnah, the hadith itself, and are even counter to reason and rationality.
For example, a hadith is generally quoted about fasting in order to control sexual urges. Now imagine a soldier who is away from home for years at a stretch protecting our borders in excruciatingly cold temperatures. Or a construction worker who digs mountains in excruciatingly hot temperatures. If we advise them to fast, they will definitely die out of dehydration. Then why would Prophet SAW give people such an advise? We could only know if we knew the context. One could argue that this advise doesn’t apply to extreme conditions – but halal and haram are generic, not conditional. Exceptions can be conditional, but then again we would need evidence from God about what can be considered an exception.
I invite you to research the topic of hadith more academically. Videos in the following discussion can be a very good starting point:
Lastly, I did not present Ibn-e-Hazm’s evidence from the companions as a basis for any legislation. Legislation by definition forbids certain things or sets their boundaries. For example, walking on the streets is permissible by default. If our government wants to make it forbidden for any reason or set some boundaries around it they will legislate.
That said, I can definitely see that some people might consider masturbation wrong, and I respect their opinion as long as they do not try to impose it on others. When we term something as haram, we need to have clear evidence from God. One could argue that it’s immoral and God forbids everything immoral, but morality only comes into picture in reference to our behavior with others. For example, lying to one self, or cheating one self is universally not considered immoral.
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ہماری باڈی ہماری نہی ہ,خدا کی امانت ہے
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Yes but it doesn’t mean that we can make anything haram on our bodies according to our own wishes. God has given us our bodies and it is Him who has given us certain biological needs. In order for us to consider fulfilling one such need as haram, we need clear evidence from Him. With statements of justification like this we only serve our own ideas of how the religion should be, not the intent of God.
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I don’t think anybody here is saying it is Haram. It is not modest and does not compliance with the spirit of Islam. As we believe we all are in this temporary world for a test. After we die we will have eternal life hopefully in Jannat. To achieve that reward we must prove that we deserve that. The way Ghamidi school is presenting this issue, they are indirectly encouraging our youngsters to involve in such immodest act.
Instead, Ghamidi school should discourage our young generation to watch pornography, which in most cases ends up in masturbation.
Some youngster will still do it but please do not make it official. Please leave the curtain there as was left by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh and spend more energy in promoting his pbuh advise to get married, if possible. Also encourage Muslims to offer five times prayers which will definitely calm down their immodest desires.
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I completely agree with the first few sentences.
I do however disagree that Ghamidi Center is encouraging people to engage in the activity. Our job is to educate people about Islam without any consideration for our own preferences. When we tell people with evidence that masturbation is not haram, we also tell people with all our energies that the purpose of Islam is to attain purification (tazkiya) and explain to them in every which way possible how to do it. This doesn’t mean that we should hide things out of our own desires.
I also disagree that Prophet Muhammad SAW left any veils regarding this issue. Quran as well as many hadiths comment on things of very personal nature when it comes to intimacy. If there was any haram in masturbation, it definitely would have been made absolutely clear.
Once again, everyone can judge for themselves what is right for them in their own given circumstances. Discouraging people about something from behind the false veils of religion is definitely a haram act and we should all refrain from it.
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Brother, thanks for your detail answer. My point is that whenever the issue of masturbation is raised, I see Ghamidi Centre with full zeal start to advocate this act. I do not see any additional comments, like I mentioned above, giving youngsters advice to refrain themselves from watching pornography and encourage them to do their duty of praying five time daily. And I mean always giving a package answer specially in this case, your answer plus some advice to deal with this immodest act. And trying to follow Prophet’s advise to get married, if possible.
Jizak-Allah
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I find it rather absurd that us young people are advised to get married when marriage is made so difficult for us because of so many reasons.
I don’t see how this action can be considered immodest. In itself I don’t see the immodesty unless you look at it from a puritan’s lens
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Please read my comments again. I wrote:
“get married, if possible”
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Fair enough
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Munnoo Khan first of all, this forum is not the entire offering of the Ghamidi Center. The whole gamut of our offerings include several courses, Sunday School, videos, books, articles, personal advise to individuals and a whole lot more. A fundamental part of our message is purification required by God as is evident from our entire content.
Secondly, on this forum our aim is to have focused discussions. If a question is about masturbation in the context of haram/halal, the responses from moderators you see will generally only address that concern. If you or someone else would like to provide additional good advise, you are more than welcome to do so. Besides your perception in this regard is not entirely correct if you read all of our posts and responses. I’m providing a sampling below:
Discussion 37050 • Reply 37064
Discussion 17553 • Reply 17565
Discussion 33647 • Reply 33667
Discussion 33647 • Reply 34504
Discussion 41639 • Reply 43566
Discussion 37155 • Reply 37165
Discussion 33305 • Reply 33317
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Lastly, you have to understand that in this regard our societies and and religious misinterpretation have created undue pressures on our youth that lead to guilt, aggression, fear, lack of confidence, lack of focus, and several other psychological disorders. In many cases it eventually even leads to zina, which is the exact opposite of the behavior required by God.
I hope that you will understand and appreciate this and in the future refrain from such irresponsible comments.
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Thanks for the clarification but adding few sentences of advise on these type of issues along with a short and focused response still would be appropriate. Sometimes the reader can not go into depth of the issue or unable to retrieve other sources of information on that particular topic.
Still I appreciate what Ghamidi Centre is doing, creating awareness on issue which used to be taboo. May Allah accept your team’s efforts. (Aameen).
Jizak-Allah
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@Munnoo The Hadith from Mulim and Bukhari that you referred has nothing to do with it as Prophet SAW is talking that if anyone can support wife he should marry as it restrain eyes and protect against immorality who can not do so he fasts as it bring down his sexual desire.
If you read it carefully and attentively Prophet SAW referring to Zina that if someone has the desire to do that he should marry immediately if he can support a wife if not then he should fast from protecting himself against Zina as it bring down sexual de
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